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re: Official Avengers: Endgame SPOILERS/Discussion/Reviews Thread

Posted on 4/29/19 at 2:31 pm to
Posted by AustinDawg
Austin, Tx
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 2:31 pm to

I may have missed this discussion earlier, but was the "underwater tremor" that happened early in the film a possible reference to Namor?

You could have a Namor vs FF movie I guess. At least that wouldn't be DOOM again.
Posted by Murray
Member since Aug 2008
14835 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 2:34 pm to
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At least that wouldn't be DOOM again.


I think its safe to say we'll never get that Fox Doom again. No way Marvel screws that up.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 2:46 pm to
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I may have missed this discussion earlier, but was the "underwater tremor" that happened early in the film a possible reference to Namor?



I assumed that was Thanos' second snap resonating through the universe.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30352 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 2:48 pm to
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Right, but at one point they literally both jumped off the cliff.



It's a movie short round.

What fun would it have been if Black Widow said "i'll sacrifice myself" and Hawkeye says "OK" and then she jumps off and Hawkeye wakes up with the Soul Stone in his hand in the water and says "mission accomplished, back to earth 2023"
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 2:57 pm to
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Speaking of, where did her flying horse come from?

Asgard.

Valkyrie was on Sakaar when Thor found her in Ragnarok. It's possible that she had Aragorn with her on Sakaar, or it boarded one of the ships that evacuated Asgard. Or it's been on Earth since the days that the Asgardians were here.
Posted by L5UT1ger
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 2:59 pm to
Not sure it was asked previously, but why did Black Widow dying count as Hawkeye losing that which he loved?
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 3:01 pm to
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Not sure it was asked previously, but why did Black Widow dying count as Hawkeye losing that which he loved?

There's not a closer partnership in the MCU.
Posted by BoomNation
wetumpka. alabama
Member since Feb 2015
2099 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 3:02 pm to
I feel 100% confident in saying the next Avengers team up will consist of

Black Panther
Captain Marvel
Doctor Strange
Sam Wilson aka Falcon aka new Captain America
Ant Man
Wasp
Spidey

with a possible crossover from either X-Men or F4 if not both

its been announced that scarlett witch, vision loki, and hawkeye are getting their own spinoffs on Disney + so I don't see them appearing in the next phase

Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30352 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 3:03 pm to
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Not sure it was asked previously, but why did Black Widow dying count as Hawkeye losing that which he loved?



I thought the same thing.
Maybe Black Widow gave up what she loved the most, and that was being a part of the Avengers and that family by sacrificing herself.
I do'nt know.
Posted by xenythx
Member since Dec 2007
33391 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 3:12 pm to
They clearly loved each other in a platonic/familial way. He named his son after her (Nathaniel).

It's lose that which you love, not that which you love most.
Posted by L5UT1ger
Member since Feb 2004
3084 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 3:13 pm to
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There's not a closer partnership in the MCU.


Ok. I figured like Hawkeye loved his family more and she loved Hulk more maybe. I am no expert by any means. Thank you.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53467 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 3:20 pm to
quote:


Not sure it was asked previously, but why did Black Widow dying count as Hawkeye losing that which he loved?


Bruh, do you even Budapest?
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
51885 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 3:25 pm to
I just wish that at the end of the movie, halfway through the credits, Stan Lee would have showed up and said to the audience, "Really, that's it folks. Just go home, already."

Would have been an appropriate ending.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 3:26 pm to
They already did that at the end of Spider-Man Homecoming with the Captain America post-credits scene where he basically talks about "waiting a long time for something only to be really disappointed".
Posted by xenythx
Member since Dec 2007
33391 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 3:30 pm to
I was expecting some sort of "For Stan" dedication at the end but I guess they must have done it in Captain Marvel? Feels like it would have been more appropriate here.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53467 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 3:31 pm to
I just wish Lee could have gone out with more of a bang.

That cameo seemed more meh than most.

I get why they didn’t do it again, but title screen change for Captain Marvel hit me in the feels.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 3:36 pm to
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I get why they didn’t do it again, but title screen change for Captain Marvel hit me in the feels.


It wouldn't have been the title card for Avengers: Endgame regardless of when he died. It had to be one using the primary "Phase 3" fanfare.

Infinity War had the distress call from the Asgard refugee ship.

Ant-Man and the Wasp had it.

Captain Marvel had it.

It didn't fit the opening to Endgame.

Spider-Man: Far From Home will have some derivative of the Spider-Man theme again.
Posted by ThePoo
Work
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 3:39 pm to
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Ok. I figured like Hawkeye loved his family more and she loved Hulk more maybe. I am no expert by any means. Thank you.
Red skull doesnt say you have to love what you love "most"

He just says "in order to take the stone, you must love that which you love"


So I assume losing anyone you love would be sufficient
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 3:43 pm to
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They clearly loved each other in a platonic/familial way. He named his son after her (Nathaniel).

It's lose that which you love, not that which you love most.

On top of that his whole family is dead, so Natasha is probably the person he loves most that's still alive.
Posted by arktiger28
Member since Aug 2005
5413 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 3:46 pm to
Not to mention even if it was "love the most" it still would have worked because he had already lost his family so she actually was probably his most loved possession left. Their close relationship has been established for a long time.
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