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re: Official Avengers: Endgame SPOILERS/Discussion/Reviews Thread
Posted on 4/29/19 at 10:35 am to MorbidTheClown
Posted on 4/29/19 at 10:35 am to MorbidTheClown
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i'm not upset about falcon becoming captain america. I just thought i had read that bucky was the one. And it seemed to fit since bucky seems a lot stronger than falcon.
They definitely have built up the Bucky character a lot more than Falcon.
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 10:38 am to musick
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Sorry, but crowbarring a gay character just for the sake of "representation" is just hack territory. The therapy session, ok fine. The directors wanting to subtlety push an agenda just bothers me. The fact that they put that in as an "important part of cinema history" makes me want to vomit.
Oh FFS. Gay people exist. Who gives a damn if they put one in the movie?
Posted on 4/29/19 at 10:39 am to RedPants
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Who gives a damn if they put one in the movie?
A lot of people, apparently.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 10:43 am to RedPants
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Oh FFS. Gay people exist. Who gives a damn if they put one in the movie?
One character in one scene in one movie out of 22 movies.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 10:45 am to Fewer Kilometers
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One character in one scene in one movie out of 22 movies.
BUT MUH SJW AGENDAAAA
Posted on 4/29/19 at 10:58 am to RedPants
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Oh FFS. Gay people exist. Who gives a damn if they put one in the movie?
Read my posts, it has nothing to do with gay people, I have no issue with that.
My only point is that forcing something (anything) into a movie just to appease a social agenda (in this sense representing people, and then claim it was groundbreaking
) is lame and a hack thing to so. See: the girl power scene, it was just as terrible.
The issue in this discussion is that people jump immediately to the conclusion that I dont like gays, etc. When it literally has nothing to do with my point. Get off of that aspect of what I said.
The all-girl football team was just as bad, and exactly the same plot device.
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 11:01 am
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:00 am to musick
Girl power scene was much worse. Neither changed my opinion of the movie, but one was forced and the other wasn't.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:03 am to Smoke7024
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Neither changed my opinion of the movie, but one was forced and the other wasn't.
Sorry but they were both forced. They did the gay scene subtley, but it was just as forced. Russo's even said they knew at the beginning of these 4 movies they "had" to get a gay character somehow, and that it was groundbreaking and important to history. (how more forced can you get than that>) It just wasn't in your face like Team Grrls!
If they wanted a gay character why not give an actual character that meant something that inclination instead of basically a throw away character? Because they forced it. How about getting an actual gay actor to represent the community as a nod rather than a straight man who is also the co-director?
Let me be clear as well, they didn't "change my opinion" of the movie. They were just both hack moments in a great movie.
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 11:10 am
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:04 am to musick
Meh, other than you posting that they said that, I wouldn't have known from the scene itself. The girl power scene was blatantly in your face. It's the only one that seemed out of place to me.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:04 am to musick
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My only point is that forcing something (anything) into a movie just to appease a social agenda (in this sense representing people, and then claim it was groundbreaking ) is lame and a hack thing to so.
I agree with this point, but you have to realize this is what they're doing anytime they add a gay character to anything (or gender swap a traditionally male character to female, have a "RA RA" grrrrl power moment, etc). At least this scene wasn't completely over-the-top and obvious like the girl power battle charge was.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:06 am to imjustafatkid
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At least this scene wasn't completely over-the-top and obvious like the girl power battle charge was.
And I agree with this. It was much more subtle than the girl scene, and it was done way better. My only point is that it was still forced.
I do agree with you, it was handled a ton better.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:17 am to musick
only read the last few pages... saw it yesterday
movie was really good... not as good as IW but still good
and if you look at the bigger MCU picture, it was a great ending to what they've made the past decade
outside of the kind of slow, jumbled 2nd act, my biggest complaint is the power level of 2014 thanos
In IW, you had stark, strange, spidey, and the guardians give Thanos a pretty good fight, even able to actually draw blood. And that was with 4 infinity stones.
2014 thanos had no stones and it seemed like he steam rolled just about everyone in that final act. scarlet witch being the only one who gave him serious problems.
it looked like 2014 zero stone Thanos > 2018 four infinity stone Thanos
movie was really good... not as good as IW but still good
and if you look at the bigger MCU picture, it was a great ending to what they've made the past decade
outside of the kind of slow, jumbled 2nd act, my biggest complaint is the power level of 2014 thanos
In IW, you had stark, strange, spidey, and the guardians give Thanos a pretty good fight, even able to actually draw blood. And that was with 4 infinity stones.
2014 thanos had no stones and it seemed like he steam rolled just about everyone in that final act. scarlet witch being the only one who gave him serious problems.
it looked like 2014 zero stone Thanos > 2018 four infinity stone Thanos
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:31 am to joeyb147
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2014 thanos had no stones and it seemed like he steam rolled just about everyone in that final act. scarlet witch being the only one who gave him serious problems.
it looked like 2014 zero stone Thanos > 2018 four infinity stone Thanos
Seemed pretty equal to me. We saw him lay waste to Hulk in IW going hand to hand. When he had to go hand to hand again in this one, he did the same thing. Capt Marvel had him beat until he used the power stone.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:35 am to RedPants
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looked like 2014 zero stone Thanos > 2018 four infinity stone Thanos
Thanos before gaining 2 stones is much different than Thanos after. Once he held 2 stones, he shed his armor, and felt invincible. At all points before that, he was a bloodthirsty warlord. After gaining the power of 2 stones, he became a god. His fight on Titan wasn't a fight, it was him toying with the Avengers to see what they were made of. They nearly won because of his hubris (and a brilliant plan by Star Lord).
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:35 am to joeyb147
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In IW, you had stark, strange, spidey, and the guardians give Thanos a pretty good fight, even able to actually draw blood. And that was with 4 infinity stones.
He had also just killed Gamora at this point, which was apparently emotionally draining for him.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:42 am to jcole4lsu
quote:and my point is, the bloodthirsty warlord took on just about every hero without taking a scratch...
Thanos before gaining 2 stones is much different than Thanos after. Once he held 2 stones, he shed his armor, and felt invincible. At all points before that, he was a bloodthirsty warlord. After gaining the power of 2 stones, he became a god. His fight on Titan wasn't a fight, it was him toying with the Avengers to see what they were made of. They nearly won because of his hubris (and a brilliant plan by Star Lord).
thor was able to shove an axe into six stone Thanos' chest... he literally threw his axe thru a six stone infinity gauntlet blast
thor wasn't even able to scratch zero stone Thanos
stark did more damage to god thanos than warlord thanos
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 11:43 am
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:44 am to TheeRealCarolina
i wish we got more iron man movies against a real mandarin
so no more captain america movies?
what about Hulk with abomination and leader?
who is the next big bad? Kang?
so no more captain america movies?
what about Hulk with abomination and leader?
who is the next big bad? Kang?
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:54 am to joeyb147
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thor was able to shove an axe into six stone Thanos' chest... he literally threw his axe thru a six stone infinity gauntlet blast
Right. It was a sneak attack and one move and counter move. Had Thanos had more time, he would have destroyed Thor, like he did everyone else.
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Fat thor wasn't even able to scratch zero stone Thanos
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stark did more damage to god thanos than warlord thanos
Stark never faced God Thanos. He faced 4 stone Thanos and they fought him for 30 minutes, of course they were eventually going to knick him. Warlord Thanos was beat down, he just had nothing to lose.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:00 pm to imjustafatkid
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I agree with this point, but you have to realize this is what they're doing anytime they add a gay character to anything (or gender swap a traditionally male character to female, have a "RA RA" grrrrl power moment, etc). At least this scene wasn't completely over-the-top and obvious like the girl power battle charge was.
And the Girl Power charge failed, then Tony fricking Stark won the whole damn thing. I thought it was in your face for a reason. There was likely some in-joke to it.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:06 pm to Freauxzen
quote:lol ok
Right. It was a sneak attack and one move and counter move.
so a "sneak attack" with stormbreaker was able to almost kill six stone infinity gauntlet thanos but a zero stone Thanos is able to go head on with stormbreaker AND mjolnir and suffer zero damage? I don't think this is helping your argument
quote:if you actually bothered to read what I responded to, the person I was responding to said that Thanos became a god after collecting two stones... so by his logic, you are wrong
Stark never faced God Thanos.
quote:and zero stone Thanos got knicked zero times until a pissed off resurrected scarlet witch showed up
and they fought him for 30 minutes, of course they were eventually going to knick him
quote:zero stone thanos was doing whatever he wanted until scarlet witch started tearing him apart
Warlord Thanos was beat down, he just had nothing to lose.
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 12:06 pm
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