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re: Official Avengers: Endgame SPOILERS/Discussion/Reviews Thread
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:51 pm to Cs
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:51 pm to Cs
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Just so we're clear, you're proposing that they were effectively "editing" past events, and then not clicking the "save" button?
Sort of. My theory is that it is all relative to the present. Going back into the past just adds to the present. It doesn't "rewrite" the past.
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:51 pm to Volvagia
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They bring specifically this up in the movie.
Baldy specifically said that bringing back the time stone would help hulks reality but it would frick up her own
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:52 pm to MF Doom
quote:I don't think she said that.
Baldy specifically said that bringing back the time stone would help hulks reality but it would frick up her own
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:53 pm to MF Doom
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Except they did. Gamoras has now met Star Lord earlier than she was supposed to
But none of these people went back to their timeline, so their just building on the current one.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:53 pm to MF Doom
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Baldy specifically said that bringing back the time stone would help hulks reality but it would frick up her own
No she didn't.
At all.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:54 pm to MF Doom
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Baldy specifically said that bringing back the time stone would help hulks reality but it would frick up her own
Due to the stone leaving, not just because they're there. The stone leaving starts a fork. Bringing it back closes that loop.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:54 pm to MF Doom
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Baldy specifically said that bringing back the time stone would help hulks reality but it would frick up her own
They came to realize if the stone was returned to the exact same place and time the branched reality would cease to exist.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:55 pm to Green Chili Tiger
What did she say?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:55 pm to theunknownknight
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Stark was right
Yep. So right he almost destroyed 100% of humanity with Ultron. Instead of just 50% like Thanos did. .....
Jesus. Almost as dumb as the "Thanos is right" people.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:56 pm to Cs
For what it is worth, this is how I view it. Please excuse the paint skills:
I realize I missed the soul stone branch, but consider it an offshoot of the 2014 line.
So when they returned to 2023, there were eight concurrent timelines.
The Sorcerer Supreme states that every branch needs a soul stone to be sustained, and when Banner proposes returning them to fix whatever problem she doesn't disagree.
Additionally, when he places the stone back into the simulation, you see the branch start to wither away until there is just the prime timeline left.
So at the point of the snap, you have this:
Thanos from 2014 goes into the 2023 timeline with his host of allies. There the events of Endgame close, until you have Rogers going return the things that were taken.
Resulting in this:
While there are people still alive from the 2014 timeline, there is no "home" to return to. There isn't a world without Thanos in it, because no net infinity stone movement.
Leaving only the Loki alternate timeline from his theft.
Which BTW opens up a future where potentially Stark lives (discounting CA because the actor essentially wants out and seems satisfied with his character;s arc.)
You CANNOT do something like nuke the past or kill thanos, because an infinity stone didn't stabilize the alternate timeline branch. The timeline will collapse into chaos as the SS stated.
The most you can do is go to your past and have it be that your prime timeline is one that you failed to do what you were trying to do.
Again, this is based on how it was explained in the movie. We all know how comic books like to be inconsistent and change the rules though.
I realize I missed the soul stone branch, but consider it an offshoot of the 2014 line.
So when they returned to 2023, there were eight concurrent timelines.
The Sorcerer Supreme states that every branch needs a soul stone to be sustained, and when Banner proposes returning them to fix whatever problem she doesn't disagree.
Additionally, when he places the stone back into the simulation, you see the branch start to wither away until there is just the prime timeline left.
So at the point of the snap, you have this:
Thanos from 2014 goes into the 2023 timeline with his host of allies. There the events of Endgame close, until you have Rogers going return the things that were taken.
Resulting in this:
While there are people still alive from the 2014 timeline, there is no "home" to return to. There isn't a world without Thanos in it, because no net infinity stone movement.
Leaving only the Loki alternate timeline from his theft.
Which BTW opens up a future where potentially Stark lives (discounting CA because the actor essentially wants out and seems satisfied with his character;s arc.)
You CANNOT do something like nuke the past or kill thanos, because an infinity stone didn't stabilize the alternate timeline branch. The timeline will collapse into chaos as the SS stated.
The most you can do is go to your past and have it be that your prime timeline is one that you failed to do what you were trying to do.
Again, this is based on how it was explained in the movie. We all know how comic books like to be inconsistent and change the rules though.
This post was edited on 4/28/19 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:56 pm to slackster
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Bringing it back closes that loop.
But they couldn't bring back the blue stone in 2012 because Loki telaported with it
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:58 pm to MF Doom
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But they couldn't bring back the blue stone in 2012 because Loki telaported with it
They never took the blue stone from 2012 because Loki teleported with it.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:58 pm to MF Doom
quote:They took it back to 1970.
But they couldn't bring back the blue stone in 2012 because Loki telaported with it
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:59 pm to slackster
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Due to the stone leaving, not just because they're there. The stone leaving starts a fork. Bringing it back closes that loop.
Using that logic a fork should have been created the moment Thanos destroyed the stones.
The Ancient specifically discussed Bruce's reality and her own reality. Bruce then says these exact words, "we can return each of the stones to its own timeline". Word for word, this is what was said.
"To its own timeline". Meaning there are multiple timelines.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 1:01 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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They never took the blue stone from 2012 because Loki teleported with it.
Yeah, depending on where Loki went, that may or may not open up a separate splinter.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 1:02 pm to slackster
Given that Loki never originally escaped....doesn't it add a splinter by default?
Even if they recapture him that is still effort spent to find him.
And most importantly, no Shawrma that night.
Even if they recapture him that is still effort spent to find him.
And most importantly, no Shawrma that night.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 1:03 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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They never took the blue stone from 2012 because Loki teleported with it.
Which would mean he created a different timeline.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 1:04 pm to MF Doom
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Which would mean he created a different timeline.
He teleported to a different place in the same timeline. He didn't remove it from that timeline.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 1:05 pm to Dam Guide
The funeral scene had such bad special effects. It was obvious that it was green screened and that the cast was filmed in bits.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 1:06 pm to BOSCEAUX
Well he probably had plenty of help with Wong and the other magicians. He could probably send his conscious to Wong and tell him to send magicians everywhere to alert everyone.
Plus, when Hulk snapped his fingers and when they arrived, a probably pretty good chunk of time passed
Plus, when Hulk snapped his fingers and when they arrived, a probably pretty good chunk of time passed
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