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Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:50 am to Cs
I'm on your side doggie
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:50 am to Cs
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The Gamora we see at the end of the film is from the 2014 timeline. The Gamora from the core MCU timeline that knows and loves Quill is still gone.
Ok. So adding or removing people from a timeline only effects that individual but not the events they were involved with in the future because they already happened. So basically there are infinite Gamora’s that exist on the timeline beginning with her birth up to her death which presumably now does not occur getting the soul stone.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:53 am to BOSCEAUX
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Ok. So adding or removing people from a timeline only effects that individual but not the events they were involved with in the future because they already happened. So basically there are infinite Gamora’s that exist on the timeline beginning with her birth up to her death which presumably now does not occur getting the soul stone.
Which we kind of already knew. We know there is a vast multiverse from Doctor Strange. In Infinity War, when Tony asks Strange what exactly he does, he responds with "protecting your reality, douchebag".
So even before this film started, we already knew there are infinite distinct realities.
This post was edited on 4/28/19 at 11:56 am
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:55 am to Cs
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These are separate realities. What occurs in one does not affect the events, people, or outcomes of others.
Thanos, Gamora, and Nebula are gone from the 2014 timeline. A branched reality is immediately spun off the moment they all land on Morag in 2014. So yes, in that reality, the snap never occurs. Quill never meets Gamora, Rocket, or Groot. Interactions are different. Everything plays out differently.
I understand this explanation, I just think it's far messier.
Think of the current timeline as block chain. You can look back on it and bring a piece of it to the new block, but the previous blocks all still exist in the exact order they were created. You can go pull 2014 Thanos to 2023, but 2018 Thanos still snapped.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:57 am to Cs
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It doesn't occur.
I wholeheartedly disagree, but it won't impact my viewing.
I don't really expect technical perfection from a superhero flick. However, I do enjoy the convo here about it.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:02 pm to slackster
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I understand this explanation, I just think it's far messier.
Think of the current timeline as block chain. You can look back on it and bring a piece of it to the new block, but the previous blocks all still exist in the exact order they were created. You can go pull 2014 Thanos to 2023, but 2018 Thanos still snapped.
Yeah, I've thought about this as well, but the discussion about different realities between the Ancient One and Bruce I think better supports alternate timelines.
Using the 2014 example, we know Cap returned that Soul Stone and Power Stone. Let's say that Cap decides to just hang out there. What happens?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:04 pm to Cs
I almost forgot.....Thanos in a T-Shirt!!!!!
How dumb is that?
How dumb is that?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:05 pm to TheeRealCarolina
Good movie. Had it's awesome moments but overall was underwhelmed by it.
Wanted to see Thanos go out some other way than a finger snap.
Wanted to see Thanos go out some other way than a finger snap.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:06 pm to Hester Carries
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I almost forgot.....Thanos in a T-Shirt!!!!!
How dumb is that?
I mean, a good t-shirt is pretty much universally comfortable.
This just confirms that.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:06 pm to Cs
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Which we kind of already knew. We know there is a vast multiverse from Doctor Strange. In Infinity War, when Tony asks Strange what exactly he does, he responds with "protecting your reality, douchebag".
So even before this film started, we already knew there are infinite distinct realities.
I get that. I’m talking about our core MCU timeline and reality. Our core MCU reality and timeline now has 2014 Gamora running around, Dead Tony, Old Cap, and a dead Nat. Nat died in an alternate timeline though. These are the things I take as facts from the film. What I don’t get is we have to have a 2nd Steve Rogers that is young that was obviously in our core MCU timeline and why they can’t just go snatch Black Widow from say the time of Iron Man 2 and bring her to 2023 if it will only affect her perception of reality and not the events that actually happened.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:08 pm to SG_Geaux
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Wanted to see Thanos go out some other way than a finger snap.
Death by snu snu?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:10 pm to SG_Geaux
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Wanted to see Thanos go out some other way than a finger snap.
I’m just glad it was Tony (Cap would have been fine also) and not some Johnny or Janie come lately that did him in.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:11 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Death by snu snu?
The spirit is willing, bit the body is spongey and ....bruised
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:11 pm to BOSCEAUX
quote:agreed but when you add the stones he should’ve been way more powerful and yet Thor goes right through him. Without the stones if he tried to catch stormbreaker it should just keep going even with his hands around the hilt and drive right into his skull he shouldn’t magically have the power to stop stormbreaker like that if he couldn’t do it with 6 infinity stones this is basic physics. Momentum force inertia etc.
God level without the stones I guess. He was able to hold the power stone in his bare hand and jaw jack Marvel out of the movie with zero ill effects.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:15 pm to slackster
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You can go pull 2014 Thanos to 2023, but 2018 Thanos still snapped
But who would physically snap?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:17 pm to MF Doom
quote:Thanos.
But who would physically snap?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:20 pm to BOSCEAUX
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I get that. I’m talking about our core MCU timeline and reality. Our core MCU reality and timeline now has 2014 Gamora running around, Dead Tony, Old Cap, and a dead Nat. Nat died in an alternate timeline though. These are the things I take as facts from the film. What I don’t get is we have to have a 2nd Steve Rogers that is young that was obviously in our core MCU timeline and why they can’t just go snatch Black Widow from say the time of Iron Man 2 and bring her to 2023 if it will only affect her perception of reality and not the events that actually happened.
The core MCU timeline Nat died in an alternate timeline that has its own Nat running around doing stuff. Hawkeye and Nat were on Vormir while the 2014 versions of themselves were doing stuff on Earth.
They're not going in the past to pick up a new Nat for a few reasons. One, they'll need more Pym Particles, and we know Hank is extremely averse to the idea of anyone else obtaining the particles, much less using them for recreational purposes. And even if they did, I doubt the Nat they encounter would even want to leave. Because you would then be ruining that new reality with no Natasha.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:20 pm to Cs
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Using the 2014 example, we know Cap returned that Soul Stone and Power Stone. Let's say that Cap decides to just hang out there. What happens?
He was always there? Sort of Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban like?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:20 pm to pvilleguru
But he died before he did it
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