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re: Official Avengers: Endgame SPOILERS/Discussion/Reviews Thread
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:21 pm to BOSCEAUX
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:21 pm to BOSCEAUX
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What I don’t get is we have to have a 2nd Steve Rogers that is young that was obviously in our core MCU timeline and why they can’t just go snatch Black Widow from say the time of Iron Man 2 and bring her to 2023 if it will only affect her perception of reality and not the events that actually happened.
Because the writers don’t understand their own time travel mechanics.
The idea that they could go back “right as the stones were taken and not disturb the timeline” assumes that they are preventing an alternative timeline from being created. Which presupposes that that timeline is “being put on hold”. This is contradictory to the idea that every time you enter a timeline at any point you’re creating an alternate reality to begin with.
And even then, if creating an alternate timeline happens every time you go in the past, it should also create a new one when you enter back in your own timeline. Every entry point into a timeline or different reality, whether it’s your past, your present, or your future, should create a new timeline from the one in which the entry point never happened. This makes time travel ultimately self defeating unless you’re okay with a bunch of alternate realities in which nothing gets fixed, but for story telling purposes, it’s easiest to do the “time heist” that Endgame did.
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:22 pm to MF Doom
quote:The past still happened. They didn't erase any of what happened.
But he died before he did it
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:24 pm to pvilleguru
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They didn't erase any of what happened.
Gamoras alive again isn't she?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:24 pm to Cs
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The core MCU timeline Nat died in an alternate timeline that has its own Nat running around doing stuff. Hawkeye and Nat were on Vormir while the 2014 versions of themselves were doing stuff on Earth.
They're not going in the past to pick up a new Nat for a few reasons. One, they'll need more Pym Particles, and we know Hank is extremely averse to the idea of anyone else obtaining the particles, much less using them for recreational purposes. And even if they did, I doubt the Nat they encounter would even want to leave. Because you would then be ruining that new reality with no Natasha.
I can buy all that about Nat. The cap issue is actually the more important one to me.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:25 pm to MF Doom
quote:Her past self is still alive. The one that loved Peter is not.
Gamoras alive again isn't she?
This post was edited on 4/28/19 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:28 pm to Sentrius
quote:i agree that you can’t do this permanently. But it’s fine for a whole movie. They couldn’t make him magically lose weight in a matter of days. That would have been dumb. You barely notice it in the final battle anyway. It worked for this movie. And it worked well. It was the funniest part of the movie and it let us see what would happen if Thor just gave up and drank all day. It’s believable that he would end up just like that. He’s always been a heavy drinker lol.
If they take fat thor too far, people will get sick of his shite want the badass and manly as frick Thor back.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:32 pm to pvilleguru
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Gamoras alive again isn't she?
Her past self is still alive. The one that loved Peter is not.
Yes. Core MCU timeline Gamora is still dead. The Gamora now was yanked out of the 2014 timeline. She doesn’t know who anybody is except Nebula.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:34 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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God level without the stones I guess. He was able to hold the power stone in his bare hand and jaw jack Marvel out of the movie with zero ill effects.
quote:please answer this
agreed but when you add the stones he should’ve been way more powerful and yet Thor goes right through him. Without the stones if he tried to catch stormbreaker it should just keep going even with his hands around the hilt and drive right into his skull he shouldn’t magically have the power to stop stormbreaker like that if he couldn’t do it with 6 infinity stones this is basic physics. Momentum force inertia etc.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:34 pm to MF Doom
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But he died before he did it
He already did it in 2018. Like I said, my theory is you can't change the fundamental blocks of the timeline. You can pull something from the past to the present, but that person still did all the things they did from 2014-2018.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:39 pm to BOSCEAUX
How was Strange able to organize that ginormous portal attack between the time Hulk reversed the snap and they showed up. I realize he knew how all this was going to play out but still. I’m not going to think to hard on that one 
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:40 pm to MF Doom
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Then why wouldn't killing baby thanos work?
I am not the one who "wrote" the rules. They bring specifically this up in the movie.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:41 pm to slackster
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Like I said, my theory is you can't change the fundamental blocks of the timeline. You can pull something from the past to the present, but that person still did all the things they did from 2014-2018.
Just so we're clear, you're proposing that they were effectively "editing" past events, and then not clicking the "save" button?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:42 pm to BOSCEAUX
He knew where everyone was going to be. He had about 30 minutes between Hulk's snap and their entrance at the Avengers' compound. All he had to do was find Wong and the other sorcerers and tell them to open portals at x locations.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:44 pm to Cs
They explain this a little. When you go back in time, you don’t change your own timeline, you fork off an alternate reality. The wizard girl explains this to Bruce.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:46 pm to abellsujr
He's theorizing that no alternate timelines are created.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:47 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
My only guess is like someone said earlier, stormbreaker does not have Odin’s Magic on it so it can be held by those that aren’t worthy. The magic of the stones might not be able to stop it but maybe brute strength can. Also I think he may have been more caught off guard in IW. All that is just a guess. Besides the power stone the others don’t really enhance what strength you have but give you different forms of power.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:48 pm to Cs
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Just so we're clear, you're proposing that they were effectively "editing" past events, and then not clicking the "save" button?
Which would mean they essentially created a duplication machine
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:49 pm to slackster
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Like I said, my theory is you can't change the fundamental blocks of the timeline
Except they did. Gamoras has now met Star Lord earlier than she was supposed to
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:50 pm to Cs
Ah ok. I misunderstood. Yeah, anytime you introduce time travel, things get crazy. They try to explain as best they could, but there will be some things left unexplained or holes. I just went with it. Time travel is a staple in comic books. Just gotta go with it.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 12:51 pm to MF Doom
quote:No, she hasn't.
Gamoras has now met Star Lord earlier than she was supposed to
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