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re: Official Avengers: Endgame SPOILERS/Discussion/Reviews Thread
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:08 am to BOSCEAUX
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:08 am to BOSCEAUX
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it still means we have two Steve Rogers. One that lived with Peggy and aged like a normal person and one that was thawed out and became an Avenger.
You're correct. It's not a problem. From what I can tell, the only splinter timeline in existence at the end of this movie, is the one where Loki escaped with the Tesseract.
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:11 am to Cs
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The Ancient One literally tells Bruce that she can't give up the stone to save his reality because it would doom her own.
During the visualization she provides, Bruce then explicitly tells her that they can "return each stone to its own timeline". There are multiple timelines.
I understood this to mean the removal of the stone creates its own timeline, not the timeline itself being separate altogether. You need to return them to the splintered timeliness in order to unify the timelines.
I understand what people are saying otherwise, but that explanation opens up even more plot holes.
All the timelines being unified upon return of the stones actually puts a nice bow on most of the plot holes.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:11 am to 3nOut
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One that lived with Peggy and aged like a normal person and one that was thawed out and became an Avenger. If I’m mistaken please explain it to me because I’m definitely hung up on that part
I think that’s exactly what happened. Though I am confused about if the new Steve will get that chance to go back and be with Peggy since his version of Thanos is dead and the snap will never occur. That version of Steve will likely stay and be with Sharon. But yes, our Steve probably lived under a different name and Steve Rogers from the new timeline still goes on to be an Avenger.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:14 am to slackster
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You need to return them to the splintered timeliness in order to unify the timelines.
Which doesn't work. Cap returns the Time Stone and Mind Stone to 2012 NYC - but Loki is already gone with the Space Stone. The events are different. It's a different reality.
Cap then returns the Soul Stone and Power Stone to the 2014 timeline. But in that timeline, there is no Gamora, Nebula, Thanos, or his army. The snap never occurs, Quill never meets Gamora, and none of the other interactions can play out the same.
This post was edited on 4/28/19 at 11:16 am
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:14 am to Green Chili Tiger
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From what I can tell, the only splinter timeline in existence at the end of this movie, is the one where Loki escaped with the Tesseract.
Wouldn’t that have been corrected when Tony and Cap took it in the 70’s and then Cap returns it.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:14 am to WicKed WayZ
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That was the past Thanos and Gamora, though.
Yes.
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They killed past Thanos so the Snap will never occur
No. They clearly said you can't kill baby Thanos to prevent it, you have to undo it altogether.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:14 am to WicKed WayZ
The snap still occurred.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:15 am to Green Chili Tiger
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You're correct. It's not a problem.
Wouldn’t that mean we should still have a young Cap somewhere?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:16 am to BOSCEAUX
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Wouldn’t that mean we should still have a young Cap somewhere?
Yeah, the Cap who does all the Avenger stuff still exists and does his thing. Present day Cap just goes back and lives along side him as a regular Joe.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:17 am to slackster
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I understood this to mean the removal of the stone creates its own timeline, not the timeline itself being separate altogether. You need to return them to the splintered timeliness in order to unify the timelines
By the logic you're using the avengers could nuke New York and nothing would change because they returned the stone
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:19 am to BOSCEAUX
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Wouldn’t that have been corrected when Tony and Cap took it in the 70’s and then Cap returns it.
Possible, but I believe it's a splinter. If that was the case, you could just return the stones at any point in time and rectify all future removals. I don't think it's intended to work that way.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:19 am to slackster
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No. They clearly said you can't kill baby Thanos to prevent it, you have to undo it altogether.
Why do you think killing Thanos wouldn't matter? Because it would cause an alternate reality
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:21 am to slackster
Yep that sounds right.
Still wish there was an alternate reality where Cap sacrificed himself instead of Tony. But I get why Tony did it. He was never going to stop, especially not with all the Avengers back. He can’t help himself. He always wants to save people and create things to help better the world. That’s why he could never rest. That’s why he never stopped after Iron Man 3 and why him and Pepper split for a bit.
The dude loved being Iron Man too much.
Still wish there was an alternate reality where Cap sacrificed himself instead of Tony. But I get why Tony did it. He was never going to stop, especially not with all the Avengers back. He can’t help himself. He always wants to save people and create things to help better the world. That’s why he could never rest. That’s why he never stopped after Iron Man 3 and why him and Pepper split for a bit.
The dude loved being Iron Man too much.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:21 am to MF Doom
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By the logic you're using the avengers could nuke New York and nothing would change because they returned the stone
Explain.
If the Avengers nuke New York after stealing the stone, and then return it, it didn't happen.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:22 am to MF Doom
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By the logic you're using the avengers could nuke New York and nothing would change because they returned the stone
What he is saying is that without the net motion of infinity stones between timelines, there is no timeline generation.
So actions you do stay within the prime timeline.
At least, that’s how it’s explained. Grandfather paradox aside, if they had nuked New York without a divergent timeline, it would happen to their own.
But remember, all timelines (if the exposition is to be taken literally) collapsed except for 2012 NY.
Loki’s theft sustained his timeline and allows for the character to return.
This post was edited on 4/28/19 at 11:23 am
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:23 am to Volvagia
I can’t stop thinking about how terrible Captain Marvel was.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:23 am to WicKed WayZ
How did Cap return the reality stone? Did he stick it up Jane’s arse? 
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:25 am to MF Doom
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Why do you think killing Thanos wouldn't matter? Because it would cause an alternate reality
I can understand that explanation, but it also wouldn't matter because it's not going to change the present when they return.
Same with Nebula killing an earlier version of her. They were connected mentally because they're the same person, but the death of the earlier one doesn't impact the present one because she already exists in the moment.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:25 am to BOSCEAUX
quote:Inject her while she was asleep?
How did Cap return the reality stone? Did he stick it up Jane’s arse?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:28 am to pvilleguru
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Inject her while she was asleep?
I didn’t see the mechanism On him that Rocket had.
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