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Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:28 am to Volvagia
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But remember, all timelines (if the exposition is to be taken literally) collapsed except for 2012 NY.
Loki’s theft sustained his timeline and allows for the character to return.
That's contradictory. The stones were all returned to the 2012 timeline. According to some of the logic being proposed, no alternate timelines should have occurred since all the stones were once again present. But Loki escaped with the Space Stone to who knows where. Things are different even when Cap returns the Time and Mind Stone.
Same thing with the 2014 timeline. Cap returns the Soul and Power Stone, but Thanos, Gamora, and Nebula are gone from that timeline. It's fundamentally different.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:30 am to MF Doom
Altnerate realities leave all kinds of problems. How did Cap get there at the end? Why can't we bring back Scarjo? There is a reality where Thor doesn't have a hammer?
The same timeline with splinters being opened/closed with infinity stones cleans up most of those questions.
The same timeline with splinters being opened/closed with infinity stones cleans up most of those questions.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:31 am to BOSCEAUX
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I didn’t see the mechanism On him that Rocket had.
You didn't see it on Rocket either, until he pulled it out and showed it to you.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:32 am to MF Doom
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actions you do stay within the prime timeline
Then why wouldn't killing baby thanos work?
Just going by what they said is that the snap happened it had to be undone and killing Thanos before it happened wouldn’t do it because as far as the universe is concerned those people never existed or something like that.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:32 am to MF Doom
About to see it again.
I see y’all are still chasing paths that don’t exist. Everything we saw in previous movies still occurred. That never changed.
Here are the changes you need to know moving forward:
Tony is dead dead.
Cap is an old man who lived his life out with Peggy in secret (he was already doing this, we just never knew it).
Black Widow is dead dead.
An alternate Gamora who has no recollection of the events from the time Quill picked up the power stone on Morag until her death on Vormir is out and about in the universe.
Thanos and every single part of his army is gone.
Basically everything you saw occur when the team entered the Quantum Realm didn’t happen. Ignore it and ignore the potential consequences. Once Cap entered the Quantum Realm again all of those events ceased to exist.
If you want to pretend they still each happened in an alternate universe, go for it. But for the prime MCU we’ve been watching since 2008, those events never occurred and everything else we saw prior to Endgame occurred exactly as we saw it, we were just unaware that Cap was living with Peggy that whole time in secret.
I see y’all are still chasing paths that don’t exist. Everything we saw in previous movies still occurred. That never changed.
Here are the changes you need to know moving forward:
Tony is dead dead.
Cap is an old man who lived his life out with Peggy in secret (he was already doing this, we just never knew it).
Black Widow is dead dead.
An alternate Gamora who has no recollection of the events from the time Quill picked up the power stone on Morag until her death on Vormir is out and about in the universe.
Thanos and every single part of his army is gone.
Basically everything you saw occur when the team entered the Quantum Realm didn’t happen. Ignore it and ignore the potential consequences. Once Cap entered the Quantum Realm again all of those events ceased to exist.
If you want to pretend they still each happened in an alternate universe, go for it. But for the prime MCU we’ve been watching since 2008, those events never occurred and everything else we saw prior to Endgame occurred exactly as we saw it, we were just unaware that Cap was living with Peggy that whole time in secret.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:33 am to Cs
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The stones were all returned to the 2012 timeline
I believe the tesseract was returned to the 70’s. Not sure though.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:33 am to MF Doom
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Then why wouldn't killing baby thanos work?
Because when you return home, shite still happened. Nothing you do in the past affects the present experience. There is no butterfly effect here.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:33 am to slackster
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Altnerate realities leave all kinds of problems. How did Cap get there at the end? Why can't we bring back Scarjo? There is a reality where Thor doesn't have a hammer?
The same timeline with splinters being opened/closed with infinity stones cleans up most of those questions.
Alternate realities allow all of this to be explained without any paradoxes or inconsistencies.
Cap is there at the end because he jumped back into the core MCU timeline. Tony gave them "time-space GPS" rings to navigate the Quantum Realm. Banner said he "overshot his timestamp". It would make sense that a temporal overshoot would then alter his spatial coordinates as well. Hence why he didn't return on top of the Quantum Tunnel.
Nat isn't coming back because she was sacrificed for the Soul Stone. Banner literally said he tried to bring her back when he was wearing the gauntlet but couldn't.
Cap returns Mjolnir to the 2013 Asgard timeline. So, presumably, even though it's a separate reality, it can occur in a parallel fashion to the core MCU timeline.
This post was edited on 4/28/19 at 11:36 am
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:35 am to BOSCEAUX
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I believe the tesseract was returned to the 70’s. Not sure though.
I'm talking about the stones that were taken. Time Stone and Mind Stone were returned to the 2012 timeline. So all the stones were once again present. Yet Loki is still gone with the Space Stone. Events play out differently.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:35 am to TheeRealCarolina
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Basically everything you saw occur when the team entered the Quantum Realm didn’t happen.
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An alternate Gamora who has no recollection of the events from the time Quill picked up the power stone on Morag until her death on Vormir is out and about in the universe.
Doggie wat
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:37 am to Cs
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Nat isn't coming back because she was sacrificed for the Soul Stone. Banner literally said he tried to bring her back when he was wearing the gauntlet but couldn't.
So she's gone in every reality, but Gamora isn't?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:38 am to Cs
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but Thanos, Gamora, and Nebula are gone from that timeline. It's fundamentally different.
At what point does Thanos cease to exist? That should fundamentally change the events of Guardians 1. Without Thanos does Ronin still get the power stone? If Quill still steals it and the events play out with Ronin does it still end up with the Nova Core? Ugh!!!!
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:39 am to slackster
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So she's gone in every reality, but Gamora isn't?
What happens in one reality doesn't affect the occurrences of other realities. Nat is gone from the core MCU timeline.
The Gamora we see at the end of the film is from the 2014 timeline. The Gamora from the core MCU timeline that knows and loves Quill is still gone.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:42 am to MF Doom
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:42 am to BOSCEAUX
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At what point does Thanos cease to exist? That should fundamentally change the events of Guardians 1. Without Thanos does Ronin still get the power stone? If Quill still steals it and the events play out with Ronin does it still end up with the Nova Core? Ugh!!!!
These are separate realities. What occurs in one does not affect the events, people, or outcomes of others.
Thanos, Gamora, and Nebula are gone from the 2014 timeline. A branched reality is immediately spun off the moment they all land on Morag in 2014. So yes, in that reality, the snap never occurs. Quill never meets Gamora, Rocket, or Groot. Interactions are different. Everything plays out differently.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:42 am to TheeRealCarolina
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we were just unaware that Cap was living with Peggy that whole time in secret.
That’s fine and I get that but a young unfrozen Steve Rogers also existed at the same time.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:43 am to donRANDOMnumbers
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can’t stop thinking about how terrible Captain Marvel was.
Her vocal fry was outta control
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:45 am to slackster
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Because when you return home, shite still happened. Nothing you do in the past affects the present experience
Then who does the snap in the timeline where 2014 thanos goes to 2023?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:46 am to MF Doom
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Then who does the snap in the timeline where 2014 thanos goes to 2023?
2018 Thanos that already existed.
ETA - 2014 Thanos was talking about how he must have won and the Avengers lost. You don't talk like that if it's a separate reality altogether.
Also, they're not removing 2014 Thanos from 2018 as much as they're adding him to the present.
This post was edited on 4/28/19 at 11:48 am
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