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re: Official Avengers: Endgame SPOILERS/Discussion/Reviews Thread

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Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:41 am to
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what about Bucky he’s the same way


Bucky was kept on ice until they needed him.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:42 am to
Bucky was literally running around mirdering people for the Russians since the 70s. Unless I’m missing something
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:43 am to
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How do they handle time travel now? If anybody dies in future movies call up Hulk to send somebody back to save them.

Time travel always brings these sort of questions and scenarios to light



Yeah I agree time travel makes it tough going forward in the MCU. You could always go get someone from the past and bring them to the present if Gamora can exist in the present.

Fwiw, I don't subscribe to the alternate reality theories. It's all one timeline IMO, just a timeline where what's happened can't be undone without the snap.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:43 am to
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That still leaves the issue of Cap staying in the 70’s.


Cap went to the 40's to be with Peggy.Not the 70's.

Why do so many people keep saying this?
Posted by BOSCEAUX
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:45 am to
Wasn’t Bucky kept in stasis as the Winter Soldier unless he was sent out on a mission. I’m just guessing here but that could explain why he has only aged since WS.
Posted by dawgfan24348
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:46 am to
Pretty much biologically Bucky is in his late 20s or early 30s
Posted by BOSCEAUX
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:47 am to
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Cap went to the 40's to be with Peggy.Not the 70's.

Why do so many people keep saying this?



I guess like me a lot of people thought he returned the tesseract last and just stayed since that’s where the audience last saw Carter.
Posted by dawgfan24348
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:49 am to
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Fwiw, I don't subscribe to the alternate reality theories. It's all one timeline IMO, just a timeline where what's happened can't be undone without the snap.



Uh expect that's pretty much what they day happened

My problem is that if all these times they went back to were separate from their current time how is Steve still in the current one? Unless he jumped back into his original time when Peggy died
Posted by Cs
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:51 am to
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How do they handle time travel now? If anybody dies in future movies call up Hulk to send somebody back to save them.



Except that you need Pym Particles, and Hank Pym has been adamant about never letting anyone have access to his formula.
Posted by Cs
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:52 am to
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I guess like me a lot of people thought he returned the tesseract last and just stayed since that’s where the audience last saw Carter.



We see Carter and Cap at the end. The cars and music give away the time period.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:56 am to
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My problem is that if all these times they went back to were separate from their current time how is Steve still in the current one? Unless he jumped back into his original time when Peggy died



Did no one pay attention to Banner and the Ancient One's conversation?

When you go back and remove an Infinity Stone it creates a splinter timeline. When you return the Infinity Stone, it eliminates the splinter timeline.

When Steve goes back to the 40's it has nothing to do with the Stones. There is no splinter timeline created. It's the same timeline as the MCU. Steve was able to live a low-key (or normal) life, probably under an assumed name, with Peggy until the day he knew that he had gone back and then he was free to interact with Sam and Bucky.
Posted by stateofplay
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:58 am to
They should've not used time travel but instead used alternate realities or something.

Time travel has been mostly done to death. It mostly added nothing new.

Sliding from MCU earth to one where Loki won in 2012, where Bucky was Cap America, the Axis won WW2, would've been more interesting onscreen I think.

You also would've avoided the problems/plot holes that time travel caused.
This post was edited on 4/28/19 at 10:59 am
Posted by apfour21
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:58 am to
I want a sequel about how fricked up the world would be with having half the population dome back after 5 years. Imagine all the people who lost their spouses got remarried and then all of a sudden the old spouse back. Imagine that drama.
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:59 am to
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Uh expect that's pretty much what they day happened



Not when they're closed up.

That's not an alternate Gamora or Thanos that they fought.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:01 am to
My twitter feed right now...

quote:

Fans are debating if Avengers: Endgame did enough for LGBTQ representation


Are any of you debating this
Posted by Cs
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:03 am to
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Did no one pay attention to Banner and the Ancient One's conversation?

When you go back and remove an Infinity Stone it creates a splinter timeline. When you return the Infinity Stone, it eliminates the splinter timeline.


Returning the stone prevents the timeline from descending into darkness.

The Ancient One literally tells Bruce that she can't give up the stone to save his reality because it would doom her own.

During the visualization she provides, Bruce then explicitly tells her that they can "return each stone to its own timeline". There are multiple timelines.

quote:

There is no splinter timeline created. It's the same timeline as the MCU. Steve was able to live a low-key (or normal) life, probably under an assumed name, with Peggy until the day he knew that he had gone back and then he was free to interact with Sam and Bucky.


This theory succumbs to ontological paradoxes. At some point, Cap needed to live without "Old Steve" present, meaning when he goes back the first time, there is no older version of himself on the bench because it's the first time he's going back. That's literally a different timeline.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:04 am to
I just want an Avengers: Endgame - Director's Cut (Doctor Strange Edition).

Play the movie as normal up until Hulk does his snap. Cut to Strange and the others coming back on Titan. Focus on them for just a minute or two, then put Strange in an inset in one corner of the screen, jump back to the Avengers' compound on Earth and show the rest of the movie. Keep one camera on Strange in the corner of the screen. I want to see his reaction to different events as they happen. Just him keeping an eye on things, anticipating the next move that confirms we're on the one timeline where Thanos loses.
Posted by BOSCEAUX
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:05 am to
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When Steve goes back to the 40's it has nothing to do with the Stones. There is no splinter timeline created. It's the same timeline as the MCU. Steve was able to live a low-key (or normal) life, probably under an assumed name, with Peggy until the day he knew that he had gone back and then he was free to interact with Sam and Bucky.


I totally understood the hulk and ancient ones conversation and mentioned that in this thread but it still means we have two Steve Rogers. One that lived with Peggy and aged like a normal person and one that was thawed out and became an Avenger. If I’m mistaken please explain it to me because I’m definitely hung up on that part b
Posted by WicKed WayZ
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:05 am to
That was the past Thanos and Gamora, though.


They killed past Thanos so the Snap will never occur
Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:07 am to
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One that lived with Peggy and aged like a normal person and one that was thawed out and became an Avenger. If I’m mistaken please explain it to me because I’m definitely hung up on that part


The one that thawed out spent 10 years as an avenger and went back to Peggy after the events of endgame.
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