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re: Official Avengers: Endgame SPOILERS/Discussion/Reviews Thread

Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:07 am to
Posted by TotesMcGotes
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:07 am to
“I’m not melting! You’re melting!”

Internet bingo.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:08 am to
I went on a brief Google trip and that does seem to be something of a consensus for a lot of people

Might take a pass on that, two hours dedicated to the Captain Marvel I saw in Endgame seems like a stretch to say it can be made into a fun movie
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:09 am to
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maybe you should take your own advice and move on.



To quote Rhodey "so, he's an idiot"
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:09 am to
Well there's almost as much Nick Fury as Captain Marvel in her movie, which helps the "fun" factor
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:09 am to
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Rogers at the end was from a different reality. How he got there just wasn’t explained and wasn’t important.


I’m sorry but that is embracing the multiverse a little too hard if you are saying it’s that and you don’t need to know why or how. That it just happened and he poofed across universes with no machinery.

Why?

Because your explanation is even lazier than what was presented to the point of it being insulting to the writers.

The mechanism for your version was set up, established, and ON SCREEN but wasn’t used. You think they weren’t aware of this?

There is literally no reason why Steve couldn’t have pressed the return button a comfortable number of years after Peggy’s death to tie up the loose ends of the original timeline. They even set this up narratively “for us it will be a few seconds, but for him it will take as long as it takes.”

This provides a mechanism for multiverse travel.

But instead he just walks over there, right? It doesn’t make more sense that he was already in the right timeline/universe.

You are just willfully ignoring what was put on screen because it breaks everything else.
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 9:12 am
Posted by CarRamrod
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:10 am to
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“I’m not melting! You’re melting!”

Internet bingo.

i just tell it like it is.
Posted by CarRamrod
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:11 am to
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I went on a brief Google trip and that does seem to be something of a consensus for a lot of people

Might take a pass on that, two hours dedicated to the Captain Marvel I saw in Endgame seems like a stretch to say it can be made into a fun movie


i watched the boot leg copy right before EG. i wont be watching it again.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:12 am to
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I’m sure unsnapped Hank Pym is pissed because his tech he’s been hiding from the Starks for decades has been stolen from him by Tony and used to possibly fragment the universe navigating the quantum realm and time itself.



Considering he's no longer dust because of it, I think he's ok with it.
Posted by Cap Crunch
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:13 am to
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agree the time travel rules seemed kind of flimsy, but for the people complaining about the use of time travel in general...what were y'all expecting?

I'm with you on this, time travel just doesn't make sense. Period. I can't make myself get worked up over plot holes regarding time travel.


After sleeping on it, I think Endgame falls a little bit short of Infinity War. Infinity War was just more consistent throughout. The pacing in Endgame just felt a little off to me. It felt somewhat rushed up until they go back in time to get the stones, but that part just felt to drag on to me. The last hour was completely badass though.

I certainly need a rewatch to definitely rank this movie, so I guess that could all change. Looking back a lot of the scenes from the past were pretty cool, I just don't feel like all of them were necessary. Maybe I was just so antsy to get everyone back and fight Thanos that I wasn't patient enough.
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:14 am to
Cap returned the stones, so nothing changes in the timeline from the beginning of time until 2023. They bring them back in 2023. So everything that happened before that moment still happened as it did the way we saw it (except old man cap got to witness it all out of the events) originally.

Captain America closed the loop if you will and left himself back in time to age naturally. So he was still in the ocean while also being alive in Peggy’s life out of the spotlight. He knew everything that would happen and had to make the difficult choice of still allowing it to happen.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:15 am to
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Aww did that wittle 30 second scene (of a 2 1/2 hour long movie) of girl power bother you?


Dude, we said it was forced, cringeworthy and eye rolling and stated it as our opinion and there’s nothing you can say that will make it not true. Don’t think that future movies won’t be like this going forward. Cat’s out of the bag.

Not our fault you have a problem with us pointing this out.
Posted by TheIrishFro
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:15 am to
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This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 8:30 am
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:16 am to
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Not a fan of time travel being the mulligan that bails our heroes out.
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You thought they’d come back another way?

In a fictional universe filled with magic and science that borders on magic... yeah, there's an infinite number of other solutions for the writers to choose from.

Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:17 am to
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Question: at tony starks funeral when they pan to each group of characters from their own movies, who was the one kid standing behind the cast from captain America? He was standing alone and looked to be about 16/17.


I was wondering this, too. Did someone official at Marvel confirm this?

ETA - looks like Bunta was spot on. It's Harley Keener from IM3
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 9:19 am
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:19 am to
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The hamfisted tine travel rules however I can.

Unless I misheard from the Sorcerer Supreme, universe spin off into alternate realities occur with transit of the stones in and out of it.

Cool. I can get that. Fits with the MCU stone history and ups the stakes to see it through.

So where did Loki go, and how do they play a part in future events? How does his catalyst from his imprisonments starting converting him from chaotic evil to chaotic neutral then to chaotic good happen? His reconnecting with his brother over their mother’s death. Or more importantly, how does the space stone get returned?

Ditto with 2014 Thanos getting snapped, thus removing them from the timeline and removing the original snap in the first place.

The wizard was wrong perhaps?

Nope because there is Old Man Rogers sitting on the bench, proving its all the same universe.


Like I said, hamfisted. They make up rules and world building and immediately ignore them.



Now I'm all turned around. I'm not going to lie I halfway checked out on the time travel explanations just bc I knew I'd be on here reading about it.

I just assumed this snap made the Thanos snap not happen and going to 1970 fixed the Loki theft.

But they cracked on the Back to the Future time travel but I feel like they basically did the same thing. You went back and fixed an error and it changed present events.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:20 am to
It was actually stated in the credits if you remembered the name to look for from IM3
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:21 am to
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well if you take that approached none of the plot hole are important and should be looked over.
It’s not a plot hole if he’s from another reality. We know people can travel between them and we know there’s a mechanism for it. Not having old roger’s story completely explained isn’t a big deal at all. It’s not part of this story.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:22 am to
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I think a better compromise would be a soft reboot like what they did with Thor in Ragnarok. They need to give her a better personality and dialogue to work with if they're going to keep her.


Script and dialogue can only take you so far. It comes down to the actors general demeanor and charisma and Larson has absolutely nothing in that department that’s a better script could use to improve Larson’s portrayal as Captain Marvel.

You either have it or you don’t.

Chris Hemsworth has it for Thor and that’s why people love him.
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:22 am to
I assume Cap left Mjolnir with the reality stone when he goes back at the end. That would suck if they just stole that Thor's hammer

I'm interested to see how much they explain in Spiderman: Far From Home. Is earth just going to pick up in 2023 like its 2018 again?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88008 posts
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:24 am to
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But instead he just walks over there, right? It doesn’t make more sense that he was already in the right timeline/universe.

You are just willfully ignoring what was put on screen because it breaks everything else.


Just because they wanted it to be a dramatic moment doesn’t mean it ruins everything. Ffs people.
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