re: OFFICIAL - The Dark Knight Rises Discussion Thread - *SPOILERS*

I posted this in the other thread, which likely won't get viewed, so I'll post it here. An examination of the TDK, as we're doing with TDKR, to see if we can put it on equal footing...from a pragmatic standpoint.

- Batman running cables throughout the streets of Gotham on a bike to flip an 18 wheeler?

- The Joker escaping on a school bus that slammed into a recently robbed bank in the middle of downtown Gotham, during the day, and then driving off in a big yellow bus without getting caught?

- The Joker planting a bomb in a prisoner's gut, and somehow being the ONLY person to survive the blast? In the same scene, holding a knife to the guy's neck, asking for a phone call, when the cops surrounding him all had exceptionally clear shots?

- Batman jumping off the side of the building to save Rachel, with neither of them incurring any injuries, as if they both landed on pillows.

- The Joker killing Gambol in a fraction of a second with a small blade.

- Batman surviving a gunshot with his new lighter armor, and well enough to the point that he can sprint and leap quickly enough with little encumbrance.

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She's basically telling him this whole thing was orchestrated not only to finish Ra's work but mainly to make Bruce suffer.

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But WHY? How does she know Bruce Wayne killed her father?

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They show Batman in the Bat seconds before it explodes: This was the main thing I watched for. So Batman causes the explosion as he flies out of the city, and there's a shot where he's still in the Bat and you can see buildings in the background, he's obviously still in the Bat. This is shown before he passes the bridge Blake and the kids are on. He's not shown again until a little over :10 seconds left, but it's a straight shot and you basically only see his face and his seat behind his head. Obviously, Nolan wanted people to believe he was still in the Bat, but he easily could've ejected at pretty much any point beyond the bridge and it not be noticed.

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wasn't the supposed explosion radius like six miles?

unless the batplane was moving at close to 2000 miles per hour bailing out with 10 seconds to spare would meant he was still in the explosion radius (setting aside the fun possibility of being killed by the mini tsunami that would have resulted)

it's fine - they didn't want to kill him so they deliberately misled the audience in an implausible way. that's what you get in most superhero type movies (tho I wish they had let him sacrifice himself - now that would have been the way you end a trilogy)

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But WHY? How does she know Bruce Wayne killed her father?

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She knows Bruce is Batman and everyone know Batman saved the city from Ra's.

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unless the batplane was moving at close to 2000 miles per hour bailing out with 10 seconds to spare would meant he was still in the explosion radius (setting aside the fun possibility of being killed by the mini tsunami that would have resulted)

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Seeing him and the seat :10 second before DOES NOT mean he's still in the Bat. He obviously ejected.

He had 1:30 to get the bomb six miles from the city, meaning he would to have been travelling 240mph, which with a state of the art plane designed for military use is extremely low.

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He's not shown again until a little over :10 seconds left, but it's a straight shot and you basically only see his face and his seat behind his head.

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This is the scene where you see the light reflecting from water. He is in the cockpit underwater and he has ejected by this point

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This is the scene where you see the light reflecting from water. He is in the cockpit underwater and he has ejected by this point

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I know you're not trying to argue with what I said, but I agree with the light you're talking about. I noticed it but didn't think about it being underwater, but it makes perfect sense.

My previous post agreeing was just at the bottom of the last page so I don't think anyone saw it.

I'm not arguing. I needed that quote because it described the scene I'm trying to explain

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. Instead, we get him suddenly knowing where the bat equipment is, having a plan FULL OF CHANCE ASSUMPTIONS (like Batman going to Talia for help when losing all his money when there was CLEAR fraud...what if he went to the SEC?),

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It's not his plan. He's not running the show. He's a henchman.

Talia is on the board. Talia is calling the shots. That's why they knew the coordinates of the armory.

He went to Talia not to get help becuase he lost his money, he went to Talia to convince her to take control of the fusion project so that it wouldn't fall into the hands of Daggett. They knew it could be weaponized, and wanted it to be protected.

I mean, look at your complaints here. The Joker is the sole survivor of a blast at point blank range, and yet your major complaint with TDKR is that the SEC didn't respond in a timely manner to the fradualent trading of Wayne's stocks?