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re: OFFICIAL - The Dark Knight Rises Discussion Thread - *SPOILERS*
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:30 pm to FairhopeTider
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:30 pm to FairhopeTider
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What was the age difference between Talia and Bane? She was a child when he helped free her. She was in her 30's in the movie. So would that put Bane in his 40's?
Not necessarily. She could have easily been 11-13 when she escaped the prison, with Bane being around 16-17. About a 4 year difference, which would make Bane about 5-6 years younger than Batman.
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:31 pm to Polar Bear
I don't think it will be better, but I would like to see Jon Favreau take the reins of a Batman movie in the same universe with JGL.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:31 pm to theunknownknight
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That would be not only intentionally deceptive, but lazy and stupid.
It wouldn't be the only lazy and stupid component of the film.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:32 pm to Polar Bear
Yup. Spelled it wrong. I was being lazy.
I thought the ending was almost perfect. It covered almost everything and made everybody happy. I took Blake being in the lair was more of a "Ok Gotham hasn't been abandoned" message to the audience
I thought the ending was almost perfect. It covered almost everything and made everybody happy. I took Blake being in the lair was more of a "Ok Gotham hasn't been abandoned" message to the audience
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:33 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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layer
Ok, I've seen this like 10 times in this thread and let it go...can't anymore
IT'S LAIR
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:34 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Yup. Spelled it wrong. I was being lazy.
"Lair" has fewer characters than "layer". You weren't lazy, you were ignorant.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:34 pm to theunknownknight
Yes. Yes it is. And I couldn't care less.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:35 pm to Polar Bear
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He is merely "renting" the Batman brand, and I'm sure someone at WB told him to provide some wiggle room at the end that would allow for future films.
There will be no continuation of the Nolan films. It's over and we're left to know that another person takes up the mantle of batman
Now all this goes out of the window of WB throws $20 million at JGL
Still it would be no nolan, bale, oldman, freeman, Caine, etc
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:36 pm to JabarkusRussell
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Also, in Batman Begins, Ra's says they must destroy Gotham because it has been corrupted yet in TDKR it shows it is a safe city again so why did the League still want to destroy it besides revenge?
I dunno if you noticed, but Tahlia was a little unstable with severe daddy issues.
This plot was far less about the concept of the League and more about an insane little girl trying to complete her dad's final objective...regardless of it no longer applying.
She said that for her, revenge was just icing, not really the point.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:36 pm to Siderophore
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I don't think it will be better, but I would like to see Jon Favreau take the reins of a Batman movie in the same universe with JGL.
To both of those points. I don't want anymore movies tied in to this at all. Don't ruin it. Much less letting Favreau ruin it. 
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:39 pm to CGB Spender
quote:I disagree hugely with that
I get not liking this movie. In fact I Don't know how I feel about it.
But nothing, absolutely nothing in this film is "lazy"
1) how's about giving us a little more detective work on Blake figuring out Bruce Wayne is Batman than "I saw you with a blonde when I was at the orphanage"
2) ooh look, Alfred must have found Bane's Facebook page. He practically knows what the guy's favorite pair of jammies are
3) see my above rant-posts on making the fricking football stadium look more than a quarter full. Hell, at least half a dozen movies in the last decade have a stadium/coliseum scene, it isn't like it's an unknown CGI technique.
4) Talia doesn't detonate the bomb in time because... she fricking monologues??? Was I the only guy who flashed back to The Incredibles on that one?
5) They knew where Fox had the bat-goodies stashed; I thought they said (regarding Daggett's potential takeover) that info was off the books.
6) the Ra's hallucination scene giving Bruce that info... was Liam Neeson jealous he was the only Jedi not to get to go all ghost and guide folks?
7) speaking of the hallucination and info- so we learn Bane is in the League of Shadows, and then a child escapes from the prison, and then... we learn it was Ra's child... how again, if it's not Bane, and then why is he so much more badass than Batman if it wasn't him that achieved something Bruce couldn't do... nevermind. I just get a headache trying to tie all that together, and still keep any respect for Bane.
8) the cops not looking ragged after spending 6 months in the sewer.
9) really, most of "BLAKE" is lazy writing. The guy is nonexistent in the previous films, then- Blake finds Selena and the senator
Blake finds the sewer tie-in
Blake finds Bruce and tells him Gordon is shot (because, ya know, Blake knows Bruce is Batman)
Blake is the eye-opener for Bruce to learn he isn't helping orphans
Blake gives Bruce a lift after his car gets repo'd
Blake goes and rescues Gordon from the hospital
Blake keeps the cops in the sewer informed (and fed, I guess)
Blake saves the kids with the bus...
and so who, exactly, is Blake again? By the time the movie is over he's "Robin", but not any of the classic Robins have that name; and IMDB doesn't have an info-link attached to the character. Yet the character has everything in Gotham under control, even moreso than Gordon or even Batman
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:40 pm to CGB Spender
FWIW, Nolan is done as director.
And Bale is done altogether.
I wouldn't write out anyone else though.
All you would need back is Oldman and JGL really.
And Oldman mused he could see Nolan playing producer in a Batman 4 rather than having him and his brother taking control of the entire creative process (script, screenwriting, producer, and director) like they did for the Batman triology.
And Bale is done altogether.
I wouldn't write out anyone else though.
All you would need back is Oldman and JGL really.
And Oldman mused he could see Nolan playing producer in a Batman 4 rather than having him and his brother taking control of the entire creative process (script, screenwriting, producer, and director) like they did for the Batman triology.
This post was edited on 7/21/12 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:41 pm to iwyLSUiwy
He was just the first that came to mind when it came to a "realistic" batman.
Who would you use?
Who would you use?
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:41 pm to CGB Spender
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Still it would be no nolan, bale, oldman, freeman, Caine, etc
Right. It will likely feature JGL with a new cast, director, and production team.
My point was that WB likely told Nolan not to tie things up completely, which would allow for future films in the near future without having to do a reboot.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:41 pm to Polar Bear
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"Lair" has fewer characters than "layer". You weren't lazy, you were ignorant.
ZING!!!
Well at least I can leave this thread knowing I can count to five now. I love the "I have nothing better to say so I'll just call you am idiot" responses.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:45 pm to Polar Bear
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Not necessarily. She could have easily been 11-13 when she escaped the prison, with Bane being around 16-17. About a 4 year difference, which would make Bane about 5-6 years younger than Batman.
Bruce was 30 when he met Ras and came back to Gotham, TDK was set 6 months-1 year after BB, and TDKR is set 8 years after that, so Bruce is 38-40 in TDKR.
I'd say Bane is probably the same age, and Talia is a few years younger than them both.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:45 pm to Polar Bear
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My point was that WB likely told Nolan not to tie things up completely, which would allow for future films in the near future without having to do a reboot.
My point, which I didn't make too well is that WB didn't give Nolan any instructions other than keep it under 3 hours
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:46 pm to Scoob
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it would have been very easy, and much more powerful, to instead have Bane give a little monologue on the sparse crowd, and how only the rich can afford to attend:
Do you know how many poor people attend Saints games?
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:47 pm to Polar Bear
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Right. It will likely feature JGL with a new cast, director, and production team.
My point was that WB likely told Nolan not to tie things up completely, which would allow for future films in the near future without having to do a reboot.
So a Prequel Trilogy to the Original Classic, a la Star Wars trilogy, except in this case, they'll be set after Nolan's Trilogy.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:50 pm to Scoob
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1) how's about giving us a little more detective work on Blake figuring out Bruce Wayne is Batman than "I saw you with a blonde when I was at the orphanage"
Good point. I remember asking myself this in the theater but I was able to overlook it because I liked the dialogue in the scene and the way JGL delivered it.
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2) ooh look, Alfred must have found Bane's Facebook page. He practically knows what the guy's favorite pair of jammies are
In fairness, this is freaking Batman. He has always had access to information on computers that no one else could even possibly hope to have. This was true in the comics, in the Burton/Schumacher films, and the animated series. I'm pretty sure the CIA would have a big fat file on a guy like Bane.
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4) Talia doesn't detonate the bomb in time because... she fricking monologues??? Was I the only guy who flashed back to The Incredibles on that one?
This happens in almost every superhero movie that has ever been. It's a plot device that none us of should be unfamiliar with.
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5) They knew where Fox had the bat-goodies stashed; I thought they said (regarding Daggett's potential takeover) that info was off the books.
The League of Shadows knew Bruce Wayne was Batman, Dagget didn't. Bane and Talia seemed like pretty smart people and probably figured out where the Bat goodies were stored.
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7) speaking of the hallucination and info- so we learn Bane is in the League of Shadows, and then a child escapes from the prison, and then... we learn it was Ra's child... how again, if it's not Bane, and then why is he so much more badass than Batman if it wasn't him that achieved something Bruce couldn't do... nevermind. I just get a headache trying to tie all that together, and still keep any respect for Bane.
I think Bane was so much more bad arse than Batman because Batman had been out of the game for eight years and Bane had been with the game during that entire time span. Not to mention the fact that they were both trained by the same guy and knew all the same moves.
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8) the cops not looking ragged after spending 6 months in the sewer.
A nit pick that doesn't really bother me or hurt the plot.
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