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re: OFFICIAL - The Dark Knight Rises Discussion Thread - *SPOILERS*
Posted on 7/21/12 at 5:00 pm to theunknownknight
Posted on 7/21/12 at 5:00 pm to theunknownknight
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The editing made it look as though he pulled that rope out of the satchel he was carrying over his back, never showed it being anchored.
I just saw it for the second time, and you are retarded for even trying to argue this. He threw the rope down to the other prisoners so they could escape.
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 5:32 pm to LNCHBOX
What were Nolan's Political messages?
Greedy wealthy,giving Gotham Back but when the "people" got it back they turned it into a ghetto(drinking, violence, warloards)..(implication: that the poor need the wealthy to keep them in line and to keep civilization together)
The worst prison(hell on earth) is "hope"..."freedom"(the goal) seems right there, but every time you try to get out you will fail...."IF YOU DON"T HAVE FEAR" (implying that social safety nets keep people in hell)
anyone else caught these political pot shots?
Greedy wealthy,giving Gotham Back but when the "people" got it back they turned it into a ghetto(drinking, violence, warloards)..(implication: that the poor need the wealthy to keep them in line and to keep civilization together)
The worst prison(hell on earth) is "hope"..."freedom"(the goal) seems right there, but every time you try to get out you will fail...."IF YOU DON"T HAVE FEAR" (implying that social safety nets keep people in hell)
anyone else caught these political pot shots?
Posted on 7/21/12 at 5:33 pm to Scoob
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To go from acclaiming it as best movie of the year, to making apologies for things that should have been caught before release, or in direction, sucks.
You are still nit-picking though. I couldn't care less if the stadium was packed or three-quarters of the way empty. I really couldn't. It didn't bother me at all, as a viewer, to see all of those empty seats.
It also didn't bother me that the cops weren't dirty and grimy. That really wasn't important to me at all and doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
No movie is perfect, every moving has flaws, and Nolan's movies are not an exception. I'm a big fan of his movies, I've seen every theatrically released film he has made, and there are flaws and inconsistencies in every single one of them. And this is true for Spielberg, for Coppola, for Kubrick, and for any director who has ever made a movie in Hollywood. And while the films of Nolan and most of the films of the directors mentioned above have flaws, very few of them have MAJOR flaws that make the plot of the movie fall apart.
The Dark Knight Rises is a great movie. It's certainly flawed and is most definitely not the greatest movie I have ever seen, but it is very solid and very well made.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 5:36 pm to DanglingFury
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As much as I liked the movie, I think they did. I honestly wish the movie had been longer to allow more exposition of a few scenes.
Yeah. I can agree with this sentiment. I actually think the movie moved too quickly in places, especially the prison scenes. I think this movie could have benefited from being 15 or 20 minutes longer. I really do.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 5:45 pm to RollTide1987
Watching Begins and you realize how much of it was referenced in TDKR.
BTW in Begins the criminal that Crane testifies to being insane is Victor Zzaz. I bet we see him in the 2015 movie.
BTW in Begins the criminal that Crane testifies to being insane is Victor Zzaz. I bet we see him in the 2015 movie.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 6:18 pm to RollTide1987
quote:fine. You and I have different expectations, then.
You are still nit-picking though. I couldn't care less if the stadium was packed or three-quarters of the way empty. I really couldn't. It didn't bother me at all, as a viewer, to see all of those empty seats.
Personally, the lack of attendance was puzzling to me. Surely Bane wanted a big stage. What we saw, is like him appearing in New Orleans, but at a Tulane game, not the Saints. Just... doesn't make any sense.
Bummer- found another plot hole, one that has me stumped. Talia seeks revenge for her father's death. So...
why go after Batman? Seriously. Watch Batman Begins again. Sure, Bats is around after Ra's is dead, the League would know that. But- he died in the train crash. Any witnesses to them on board together? As compared to...
the train crashed because Gordon shot the supports with the Batmobile, and there ARE witnesses who see and comment on Gordon being the trigger man. "Nice ride, man" etc. Then, boom, down goes the train, plot thwarted, bye bye daddy.
Even if you subscribe to the idea they still hold Bruce accountable as the traitor to the League, Gordon is clearly and publicly the actual trigger man. Yet Bane is at first disinterested in having him brought before him in the sewer, then only makes one attempt at him in the hospital.
Considering the revenge for papa theory, you'd think Talia at least would want to have him captured, tortured and killed; and then hung up prominently as an example to those who would interfere with the League's doings.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 6:27 pm to arktiger28
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You guys have some big arse microscopes out examining this movie
So it's alright for the fan boys to start over 20 threads a day jizzing over how it's gonna be the greatest movie ever but we can't examine the movie.
Did no one think Bane became a pussy after being Talia bitch at the end?
This post was edited on 7/21/12 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 7/21/12 at 6:28 pm to Scoob
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Surely Bane wanted a big stage.
He got a big stage. The game appeared to be on national television.
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why go after Batman? Seriously. Watch Batman Begins again. Sure, Bats is around after Ra's is dead, the League would know that. But- he died in the train crash. Any witnesses to them on board together? As compared to...
Did every single member of the League of Shadows get killed or captured in Batman Begins? It's never stated at the end of Begins so it's safe to assume that a few members of the League made it out of Gotham and reported to Talia what had happened. What they knew is that the plan failed because Batman showed up in the Narrows at the last minute and her father ended up dead in the process. And while Gordon may have taken out the tracks, it was Batman's plan and Batman could have saved him from certain death....but he didn't.
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Considering the revenge for papa theory, you'd think Talia at least would want to have him captured, tortured and killed; and then hung up prominently as an example to those who would interfere with the League's doings.
And she tried. Remember the two mercenaries that were sent to the hospital with AK-47s? They were obviously sent there to kill him.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 6:29 pm to RollTide1987
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The Dark Knight Rises is a great movie. It's certainly flawed and is most definitely not the greatest movie I have ever seen, but it is very solid and very well made.
The out of control obsession for this movie was because of y'all. I knew after watching The Dark Knight with the performance of Ledger and solid movie that everyone was unrealistically expecting this movie to blow it out the water. That is absurd.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 6:33 pm to CP3LSU25
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Did no one think Bane became a pussy after being Talia bitch at the end?
Well he had been in agonizing pain after Batman broke his mask. I think he was recovering while Talia fixed the mask for him during her monologue.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 6:34 pm to CP3LSU25
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The out of control obsession for this movie was because of y'all. I knew after watching The Dark Knight with the performance of Ledger and solid movie that everyone was unrealistically expecting this movie to blow it out the water. That is absurd.
And this invalidates my opinion on the movie.....how?
Posted on 7/21/12 at 6:54 pm to RollTide1987
quote:except it would have been blacked out in Gotham, as any half-arse NFL fan would agree. Unless it was a preseason game, and there's no hint of that (although to be honest I'm not sure of the date involved). You just can't tell me the empty stadium isn't a fail somewhere in the production. It should be sold out, they missed it when they made the distribution copy. Just a little CGI to fill it in, and I'll bet someone somewhere went "whoops" when they realized the oversight.
Surely Bane wanted a big stage.
He got a big stage. The game appeared to be on national television.
Re the failure of Ra's plan, sure Batman/Bruce was the known fly in the ointment to be removed ahead of time, but the plan would have succeeded if Gordon hadn't shot the train's rails down. The microwave emitter was about to vaporize all of Gotham's water, and the city would have gone apeshit. That Ra's body was found on the train afterwards merely added to the failure.
I'd say they missed this point, too. She sure is vindictive (to the point of delaying blowing the bomb to gloat) with Bruce, but Gordon would have been known/rumored to have been the actual foil of the grand scheme (as well as the actual killer of daddy). Survivors from the League's attempt would be able to verify that, if anything. People in the streets saw it was Gordon, whose career skyrocketed afterwards (went from sgt to commish in less than a decade). Leading the police response to reclaim order, to being witnessed bringing the train down.
Yet Bane doesn't even give him a muffled victory speech before snapping his neck and handing the body over. He does more to the CIA guy at the beginning.
We (the viewers) saw if was Batman who didn't save Ra's. Everyone else would assume (rightly) that he died, and the plan was defeated, as a result of Gordon's actions that night.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 7:11 pm to Scoob
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except it would have been blacked out in Gotham, as any half-arse NFL fan would agree. Unless it was a preseason game, and there's no hint of that (although to be honest I'm not sure of the date involved).
Well from the time the bomb is shown off to the people in the stadium to the time of the final showdown at City Hall, five months go by. Considering that the movie ends in the dead of winter, I think it's safe to assume that it is either August or September when the football game takes place. So it's very possible that it is a preseason game.
And while Gordon may have been the key to Batman's plan at the end of Batman Begins, it was still Batman's plan. Had Bruce Wayne not betrayed the League of Shadows and gone back to Gotham to protect the city from men like Ra's al Ghul, Gordon would have never gotten the chance to shoot out the train tracks because he would have never been made aware of the plot against the city until it was way too late. And even with Gordon shooting out the train tracks, Batman still could have saved Ra's al Ghul's life. Instead...he chose to leave him behind to die. So Talia was right to assign ultimate blame to Bruce.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 7:15 pm to CP3LSU25
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You guys have some big arse microscopes out examining this movie
So it's alright for the fan boys to start over 20 threads a day jizzing over how it's gonna be the greatest movie ever but we can't examine the movie.
Couple of examples.
1. Alford knowing all the info on Bane. Seriously? Every Batman movie or comic book ever made shows them getting crazy secret info. Why is it a big deal now?
2. The references to the rope being thrown down. It was so stinking obvious that it was a supply rope anchored to the top.
3. Why didn't they show the other wall so we would know they couldn't climb it. Again, are you folks serious? The fact that guys were jumping to their deaths didn't tell you that you couldn't climb up the wall. Do we really need a camera pan there?
There have been some good legitimate gripes but crap like these just show some folks wore there microscope specticles into this movie.
This post was edited on 7/21/12 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 7/21/12 at 7:16 pm to Scoob
And even with Gordon shooting out the train tracks, Batman still could have saved Ra's al Ghul's life. Instead...he chose to leave him behind to die. So Talia was right to assign ultimate blame to Bruce.
Yeah, she's ultimately right. But as I said, only you and I (the movie's veiwers) know that. Nobody in the films witnessed that. They were alone on the train, moving at a high rate of speed like 50 ft off the ground, and Bat's suit is black. So unless she was sitting in the audience, her intel should be fingering Gordon.
Look, what can I say- it was an ok movie. It wasn't an abomination like how the last Batman flicks wrapped up. It didn't thoroughly embarrass the genre. It had a soul and a purpose to be seen, unlike The Amazing Spider-Man (which was actually fine, but really just Sony's movie equivalent to Madden- hey just spit the same thing out there and they'll buy it). It did complete the arc. Anne Hathaway was great as Catwoman, and I'll always treasure getting to see her prepare to fire the Bat-bike's guns
But it didn't live up to the first 2 movies, and it's not the best movie released this year.
Yeah, she's ultimately right. But as I said, only you and I (the movie's veiwers) know that. Nobody in the films witnessed that. They were alone on the train, moving at a high rate of speed like 50 ft off the ground, and Bat's suit is black. So unless she was sitting in the audience, her intel should be fingering Gordon.
Look, what can I say- it was an ok movie. It wasn't an abomination like how the last Batman flicks wrapped up. It didn't thoroughly embarrass the genre. It had a soul and a purpose to be seen, unlike The Amazing Spider-Man (which was actually fine, but really just Sony's movie equivalent to Madden- hey just spit the same thing out there and they'll buy it). It did complete the arc. Anne Hathaway was great as Catwoman, and I'll always treasure getting to see her prepare to fire the Bat-bike's guns
But it didn't live up to the first 2 movies, and it's not the best movie released this year.
This post was edited on 7/21/12 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 7/21/12 at 7:29 pm to Scoob
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But it didn't live up to the first 2 movies, and it's not the best movie released this year.
I've got no complaint with someone coming to that conclusion. I just think the scrutiny here is a little crazy.
I do think it is hard to argue against this having been one of the best and most complete trilogies ever. Even if you have complaints about the last movie surely you can admit that it didn't fall apart in the end like Matrix or others.
This post was edited on 7/21/12 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 7/21/12 at 7:29 pm to Scoob
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Yeah, she's ultimately right. But as I said, only you and I (the movie's veiwers) know that. Nobody in the films witnessed that. They were alone on the train, moving at a high rate of speed like 50 ft off the ground, and Bat's suit is black. So unless she was sitting in the audience, her intel should be fingering Gordon.
And I highly doubt anyone other than Batman knows of Gordon's involvement either. Gordon was aiding and abetting a masked vigilante who was wanted by the police. Had he revealed to Commissioner Loeb that he had 1) aided the Batman and 2) destroyed millions of dollars worth of city property in the process, he would have been fired and thrown in jail. Just as no one saw Batman and Ra's al Ghul fighting on the train, I highly doubt anyone saw Gordon in the Tumbler behind those tinted windows.
Talia holds Batman responsible for the death of her father no matter what because it was Batman's presence in Gotham that made his death possible.
This post was edited on 7/21/12 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 7/21/12 at 7:36 pm to Scoob
If the game was sold out, but people were scared shitless and didn't go, the game would not be blacked out.
Remember, he mayor was trying to convince everyone that there was nothing to worry about and that the thousands of police going into the sewer were just training.
The half empty stadium actually makes some sense
Remember, he mayor was trying to convince everyone that there was nothing to worry about and that the thousands of police going into the sewer were just training.
The half empty stadium actually makes some sense
Posted on 7/21/12 at 7:52 pm to Lee County Tiger
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Maybe the team just sucks?
Yeah, Curley Hallman was coaching it.
This post was edited on 7/21/12 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 7/21/12 at 8:05 pm to Tim7105
Good point, Scoob. Thalia should have wanted to kill Gordan, not Batman.
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