re: Obtuse Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice TD review thread (SPOILERS p5+)

Just from last year I really liked Mad Max and Ex Machina. So far this year I thought The Witch was great. I'm just getting bored of blockbuster type movies. They're all so bland and generic now. The new Star Trek and Independence Day 2 both look really bad but I'm sure they'll make tons of money.

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I'm just getting bored of blockbuster type movies. They're all so bland and generic now.

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If I felt that way, I'd definitely keep buying tickets to see them.

I just saw the movie. It was pretty good. Glad I ignored the critics.

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found it to be comically bad. In a Batman vs Supeman movie, the dispute that batman was ready to KILL AND DIE FOR was called a no contest due to a lady in Kansas being named Martha. This somehow evoked such an outrageous emotional response that Batman screamed about it for a second and abandoned his life's purpose. And then we're past it.

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His whole life purpose was built on the fact his parents were killed in cold blood.

So, memory of mom >>>> life purpose. Or at least the memory meant enough to make him hesitate killing superman, giving supes enough time to tell bats he's trying to save his mom.

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I didn't know what I was watching when the Flash came back in time.

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Damn, I thought it was obvious

I loved it and love unhinged Batman.

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It sounds like you went in wanting to hate it, rather than let things play out

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Your post sounds like you went in already thinking you were gonna love and defend it, rather than give an unbiased look at it as a film.

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This is setting up MULTIPLE future movies

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This being the first thing you don't seem to mind. You don't think it could at least try to get thru it's own story before trying to set the tone for the next 20 years of stories?
I would have hated it if Iron Man 2 tried to introduce Thor, and Cap, and Hulk, and Black Widow, and Hawkeye, but also tried to throw Thanos in at the end for them to all team up real quick to fight him. Oh and by the way, here's all the soul gems! Way too much going on. And the Avengers didn't need to be called "Thor vs Iron Man vs The Hulk" just because they didn't get along at first.

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learn the various setups

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others seem like

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It's like they are

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those may well be important

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If you have to do that much assuming and supposing, then the "setups" aren't really there to learn whether you sit thru all 151 minutes or leave after Bruce is carried out of a cave by bats. After 151 minutes, you still have no more clue what the heck any of it was supposed to mean than if you walk out after 15 minutes. That's because...
Even in your own words, the title characters

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see no point to their actions

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And that's because they're isn't a point to anyone's actions. The director has no direction, the film has no direction, there is no real substance. The audience senses the lack of a point, not in actions of the characters, but in the movie period.
You try really hard to defend this movie but your real feelings come thru in these statements:

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Weird twist, but

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Totally plausible

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No goofier than

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we then come back and say they are smart devices.

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You really didn't like a lot of things but you are determined to defend this movie and it's intentions. You're sticking up for unnecessary changes to core characters and calling it a "weird twist." You're searching for even a "plausible" reasoning behind a character's actions that again prove pointless and a waste of time. You're accepting what's supposed to be a display of batman's capabilities and arsenal, showing how dark and gritty he is, but writing it off as "no goofier than..." You even admit you'll only come back and think this movie is smart if, in fact, all these things you think and hope and suppose and assume are gonna happen actually proceed to happen.
Tl;Dr version: I think a lot of defenders of this movie think it was a 2.5 hour trailer for the upcoming DCEU and are therefore pumped up for what may come but don't really care how bad the trailer really was.

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stuckintexas

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Dude, it's a comic book movie. it isn't the Godfather, it isn't some deep and introspective dramatic film achievement. It was never meant to be.

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Your post sounds like you went in already thinking you were gonna love and defend it, rather than give an unbiased look at it as a film.

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If you took it that way, you're wrong.

Growing up, I was a bigger fan of DC than Marvel, but I freely admit that Marvel has made (BY FAR) the superior movies coming in. I loved Iron Man, I loved Avengers, I loved GOTG. Hell, I enjoyed Thor, Cap America, Ant-Man, etc. I'm looking forward to Civil War with a lot of anticipation.

Contrast that to DC: I cringed that the disaster that Green Lantern was, I came away unimpressed and disappointed with TDKR, and a lot of MOS put me off (Costner saying don't be a hero, don't save me, etc). I never saw the supposed romance between Clark and Lois in that, it just seemed odd in the presentation.

I was nervous about this movie leading in. I thought the inclusion of other heroes might be a mistake, I saw no need to reboot Batman once again, and Gadot didn't look like Wonder Woman to me. That was BEFORE the critics hit. I did want to see it, and hoped I would like it, but if you check my posts, you'll see that I was very discouraged by the "dark" talk, and the comparisons to Watchmen in tone, which I felt was too bleak to build a universe on. So, I skipped the opening weekend.

A friend at work saw it, and said he liked it a lot more than the critics did. Said it was worth seeing on the big screen; so I (rather reluctantly) went after work last night.

You know what, I'm glad I did, instead of waiting for it to hit DVD or on-demand. It isn't the same plotline as the Marvel movies, but that's fine. It doesn't have to be.
It doesn't "introduce" a lot of characters, it has a couple seconds of footage of "meta-humans". I KNOW that's the Flash, Aquaman, and (I suppose) Cyborg, but those are merely hints that they exist. It DOESN'T introduce Batman, because EVERYONE knows who Bruce Wayne is (and I don't need yet another movie devoted to his origin); he's like James Bond- give a guy a tux, some style, a Walther and a British accent, and we're good.
And it obviously doesn't introduce Superman, because it's a sequel to MOS.

Now, it DOES introduce Wonder Woman, but ALL the film does is call her Ms Prince, show a photo that suggests she's a lot older than she looks, we learn first that she's smooth enough to joust with Wayne, and then we see her display some serious fighting talent and skills. The rest, including her origin and history, are all up in the air. Heck, she isn't even called "Wonder Woman", she just shows up in armor and says "I've killed creatures from other worlds before", and faces off with Doomsday.

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"Our mothers have the same name??? ERRMAHGERRRD you must be a good person too then!!"

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here is something that explains this better so the mentally impaired can understand

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Sure, the coincidence of both Batman and Superman's mothers' being named Martha might just be due to an oversight in the DC writing room decades ago, but it made a basic connection that sparks Bruce Wayne's empathy towards the Man of Steel. Bruce Wayne realizes that Clark Kent has the best intentions, and like him, just wants to prevent his mother's death. While it was too late for Martha Wayne, this feeling ultimately led to Bruce Wayne returning to why he became Batman in the first place: not to punish criminals, but to prevent tragedies like the one that scarred him for life. After that encounter and witnessing Superman selflessness during the fight with Doomsday, Batman has a renewed faith in other costumed heroes

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