re: Obtuse Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice TD review thread (SPOILERS p5+)

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After Star Wars and Deadpool, how is it not obvious to these studios that nerds go to these movies because we enjoy these characters. We don't want different takes on them, because when they change too much, it stops being the characters we enjoy.

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Correct...and before changing something shouldn't someone ask, "Hey...is this in need of change?" Sure...you want to lose the outer underwear like they did in New 52 since it was a strange thing to begin with and only done because at the time it was reminiscent to the old strongmen from the sideshow...sure! But when you change these iconic characters so much that fans need to go through all these machinations to try and accept why they are so different, you've just gone way too far as to make them largely unrecognizable to who they were.

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They can change small things about the characters to fix stupid plot holes or condiluted character backgrounds, but when you change defining characteristics, it stops being fun.

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Right. Change can be both fine and even great...if it's warranted or done with a light touch. If it's only done to try and push the envelope without any solid reasoning and done as if testing the audience, than no...not so cool.

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But that was not the movie I wanted as a comic book fan.

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Again...I haven't seen it, but this is my main gripe because it seems to be nearly universal from those who do really love the characters. Unless you're some kind of performance artist who's desire is to always push the art form, it would seem that you'd be making a movie to appeal to the largest possible audience. In this case, it's a fricking tent pole giant that's the to kick off their grandiose DC Universe...and they allow Snyder to almost purposefully piss off the core fans who were DYING to love this movie by forcing them to accept changes they never asked for.

For the life of me I have no clue what WB and DC were thinking when going down this road...it would have been so easy to do it right, and I give zero fricks if that will then be spun as "going safe." You're god damned right they should have gone safe, as safe sounds like simply utilizing their source materials, making everyone giddy and cashing checks.

Oh, and another thing I would like to see is the end of Clark and Lois. Let's move to Clark and Diana.

but OMG it was cool! So frick it, yeah put it in.

decides mid interview with Eisnberg that "OMFG instead of jimmy olsen he should be Lex Luthor....fricking rad man! DO IT!"

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Oh, and another thing I would like to see is the end of Clark and Lois. Let's move to Clark and Diana.

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This sums it up Scruffy

This was on the SHH boards. Not sure who this guy is but very good news for the film, if true.

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Gitesh Pandya
?@GiteshPandya
About $15M MON for #BatmanvSuperman - 1 notch above Furious7's $14M #EasterMonday last yr. $181M in 4days going to $215-220M in 1st 7days.

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I think the "OMG worst movie ever!" might not stick, but I don't think it will improve over time. I think the only thing that can help is that JL/WW movies make it look better. But I thought that would be the case with this and MoS.

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I agree.

His movies are heavily visual pieces and work only if the plot is a nearly straight linear course.

BvS just seemed too jumpy.

I enjoyed it more on my second viewing. It was more coherent, but maybe I was too harsh on the initial viewing. Bottom line... WB has got to get someone involved who can help Synder tell a cohesive story if the DCEU is going anywhere. It can't just be great visuals with no connective tissue.

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BvS does make MoS look better because it's now part of a longer narrative. Hell, it would've helped if MoS would've ended with Batman seeing the carnage on a monitor in the Batcave and saying, "Never again" or something like that. But watchng MoS and thinking that it was a standalone movie without a planned sequel... There was no hope for redemption at that point.

BvS even improves on that shitty Pa Kent (just by an inch or two) with his Silence of the Horses speech.

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But elongating a crap story doesn't automatically make it better. That's Snyder-think (30 more min. of footage and an R rating to give us an automatically better film? No.) I'll agree it makes MoS look better as BvS is even worse, but that's about it. The themes barely carried through (or were given enough screen time to carry through) and Superman still hasn't grown very much, he's an uninteresting character with a really solid actor in place. That stinks.

about Pa Kent. They did redeem that, however slightly.

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Something must be wrong with me. I thought it was one of the best superhero movies of all time.

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I feel the same way man

Lots of hate for it and I'm standing here like, am I missing something?