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re: Obtuse Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice TD review thread (SPOILERS p5+)
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:31 am to hawgfaninc
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:31 am to hawgfaninc
quote:I think you saw wrong.
Looked like he was throwing a fist at supes, not lex
quote:Actually, it was in the same post that you quoted.
How did you address it?
quote:Then, Bil J wrote:
Also, his reason for creating Doomsday is shaky. Clearly he had the impression that Superman would kill Batman. Otherwise, why create him? Maybe to combat the other metahumans? They could have really explained that a little better. I mean, I guess Lex is just trying to put devils against Gods.
He clearly knows that Darkseid is coming. He's basically doing the same thing that Loki did in Avengers and creating the first wave of attacks. But even Loki had issues with earth because he was jealous of his brother, etc. Loki also had some kind of control over the evil he brought to earth. Lex just carelessly created this uncontrollable creature.
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Which, if he knows Darkseid or some other great threat is coming because "god is now dead" then what good does killing the guy that is preventing that from happening? How does Lex even know about this greater threat? As Freauzen said, Lex's motivations were just all over the place.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 10:35 am
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:34 am to BilJ
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see the leaps you're having to make due to Snyder's incredibly shitty story telling?
Well, to be fair, Lex Luthor is an evil genius and him just doing things without really having to explain why seems plausible. As long as his plan is eventually revealed (which it was), it wouldn't bother me.
In regards to creating Doomsday, I thought it was a leap to say that the ship was even still functional after it got blown up in MoS. That irked me a bit.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:35 am to abellsujr
quote:
Looked like he was throwing a fist at supes, not lex
quote:it looked like he was about to kill lex
I think you saw wrong.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 10:37 am
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:38 am to abellsujr
Touche sir. I forgot that one.
Summary Miller's Batman killed one person who had a gun to a child's head, but refused to kill the Joker, refused to kill the Mutant Leader. Instructed the Sons of Batman not to kill. In All Star he stopped Robbin from killing the Joker and the Green Lantern.
Snyder's Batman killed, thirty plus, and rather indiscriminately.
Summary Miller's Batman killed one person who had a gun to a child's head, but refused to kill the Joker, refused to kill the Mutant Leader. Instructed the Sons of Batman not to kill. In All Star he stopped Robbin from killing the Joker and the Green Lantern.
Snyder's Batman killed, thirty plus, and rather indiscriminately.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:39 am to abellsujr
Luthor didn't necessarily know about Darkseid until after Superman's death. Between the release of Doomsday and the arrival of the SWAT team, the ship may have told Luthor that there was now a danger from Apokolips due to Superman's death.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:43 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Luthor didn't necessarily know about Darkseid until after Superman's death. Between the release of Doomsday and the arrival of the SWAT team, the ship may have told Luthor that there was now a danger from Apokolips due to Superman's death.
Would have been a much needed scene. Could have been shown even before Superman's death. Lex is learning about the 100,000 worlds and hears that a danger is coming to Earth. He then creates Doomsday thinking that he could control it to kill Superman and defend Earth against the coming threat. When he loses control of Doomsday, the world has to rely on Superman to save the day. When Superman dies, Lex sees that the Earth is very vulnerable to whatever is coming.
There were so many easy paths for this movie to take. It took the worst one.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:44 am to Fewer Kilometers
quote:OK, but that still doesn't excuse Lex's carelessness for creating Doomsday. If he was under the impression that he could have control of him, that would have been a good thing to convey to the audience, you think?
Luthor didn't necessarily know about Darkseid until after Superman's death. Between the release of Doomsday and the arrival of the SWAT team, the ship may have told Luthor that there was now a danger from Apokolips due to Superman's death.
And if he was unsure if he could control him, then he basically was OK with dying to carry out his plan. It was just a "Some people want to watch the world burn" motive.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 10:54 am
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:46 am to Fewer Kilometers
anyone else notice they really went out of their way to make sure no one could bitch about civilian casualties?
"good thing everyone has gone home for the day"
"ok good Doomsday was just dropped off in an uninhabited party of the city"
"good thing everyone has gone home for the day"
"ok good Doomsday was just dropped off in an uninhabited party of the city"
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:47 am to BilJ
quote:
see the leaps you're having to make due to Snyder's incredibly shitty story telling?
I came to the same conclusions using common sense. Didn't make any leaps
Perhaps Snyder underestimated how much common sense some people have
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:49 am to hawgfaninc
really those should have been common sense?
and yes you seem incredibly perceptive since you could not even tell Doomsday nearly took out Lex...but he was totally controlling him
and yes you seem incredibly perceptive since you could not even tell Doomsday nearly took out Lex...but he was totally controlling him
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:51 am to BlacknGold
This was a bad movie with a few good scenes.
Cavill was good, and affleck wasnt as bad as I expected him to be. This movies version of Superman sucked. Shouldve have showed him going aropund the world and saving more people from earthquakes, tornados, war, and fighting world hunger and poverty. They also should have showed Bruce wayne helping with medical charities and scholarships and jobs. The pacing was terrbible. lex luthor was terrible.We never got a scene with how good superman was. Shouldve showed him saving orphans in africa! The fight scene was badass. Doomsday was done terribly. Flash looks terrible.
Cavill was good, and affleck wasnt as bad as I expected him to be. This movies version of Superman sucked. Shouldve have showed him going aropund the world and saving more people from earthquakes, tornados, war, and fighting world hunger and poverty. They also should have showed Bruce wayne helping with medical charities and scholarships and jobs. The pacing was terrbible. lex luthor was terrible.We never got a scene with how good superman was. Shouldve showed him saving orphans in africa! The fight scene was badass. Doomsday was done terribly. Flash looks terrible.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:54 am to jeff5891
quote:
Looked like he was throwing a fist at supes, not lex
quote:
I think you saw wrong.
it looked like he was about to kill lex
Guess lex underestimated how much control he would have over Doom. Or perhaps it took a little bit for the control to fully manifest.
And a new born pecking at its mother / first thing it sees seems reasonable. A punch like that wouldn't have hurt a Kryptonian, but lex wasn't Kryptonian.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:55 am to abellsujr
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OK, but that still doesn't excuse Lex's carelessness for creating Doomsday. If he was under the impression that he would have control of him, that would have been a good thing to convey to the audience, you think?
Doomsday was his backup plan if everything went wrong (which it did). If Batman and Superman kill each other then he's good to go. If Batman kills Superman he's still good. Only if Superman wins does Luthor need to activate Doomsday.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:57 am to hawgfaninc
quote:A lot of this sounds more like excuses than reasoning. These type of assumptions would be non existent had Snyder done a decent job telling us something coherent.
Guess lex underestimated how much control he would have over Doom. Or perhaps it took a little bit for the control to fully manifest. And a new born pecking at its mother / first thing it sees seems reasonable. A punch like that wouldn't have hurt a Kryptonian, but lex wasn't Kryptonian.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:57 am to BlacknGold
I really feel like this is missing from this thread. 30+ pages of melt and no Peter Griffin?
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:58 am to Boo Krewe
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Cavill was good, and affleck wasnt as bad as I expected him to be. This movies version of Superman sucked. Shouldve have showed him going aropund the world and saving more people from earthquakes, tornados, war, and fighting world hunger and poverty. They also should have showed Bruce wayne helping with medical charities and scholarships and jobs. The pacing was terrbible. lex luthor was terrible.We never got a scene with how good superman was. Shouldve showed him saving orphans in africa! The fight scene was badass. Doomsday was done terribly. Flash looks terrible.
It really was two movies crammed into one. It tried to include a Superman sequel but it was really a movie about Batman trying to stop Superman. And Lex Luthor was involved. Oh and Wonder Woman had a role as well.
This movie might have worked if it was 3 and a half hours long.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:59 am to Fewer Kilometers
but Lex had a monster and a weapon capable of killing Superman. Why involve Batman at all? He's not a meta human and you know his secret identity so you can probably take him out at a later time.
That's kind of where this movie went wrong, Lex was moving chess pieces for no reason at all. I just think you would have been better served to have 2 heroes with different ideas of justice and have Lex be sort of on the sidelines coaxing along Batman to take him out without all of the outside bullshite.
That's kind of where this movie went wrong, Lex was moving chess pieces for no reason at all. I just think you would have been better served to have 2 heroes with different ideas of justice and have Lex be sort of on the sidelines coaxing along Batman to take him out without all of the outside bullshite.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 11:01 am
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:59 am to abellsujr
quote:
Actually, it was in the same post that you quoted.
Missed it
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hen what good does killing the guy that is preventing that from happening? How does Lex even know about this greater threat?
Darkseid arrival means more chaos for lex to benefit from
Lex knows he's coming from info he gathered on the crashed ship
Posted on 3/28/16 at 11:01 am to Fewer Kilometers
quote:That would've been great, had they shown him actually "activating" Doomsday. There was no "activation". He was already created and ready to go.
Doomsday was his backup plan if everything went wrong (which it did). If Batman and Superman kill each other then he's good to go. If Batman kills Superman he's still good. Only if Superman wins does Luthor need to activate Doomsday.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 11:02 am
Posted on 3/28/16 at 11:02 am to Thracken13
I wasn't calling you out there, my friend. I genuinely am interested in how it was a high point for you. I'm guessing it is because you are a huge Aquaman fan and this is the first time you've seen him on film? Because the scene itself wasn't but about 30seconds.
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