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re: Obtuse Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice TD review thread (SPOILERS p5+)
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:48 am to abellsujr
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:48 am to abellsujr
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He clearly knows that Darkseid is coming. He's basically doing the same thing that Loki did in Avengers and creating the first wave of attacks. But even Loki had issues with earth because he was jealous of his brother, etc. Loki also had some kind of control over the evil he brought to earth. Lex just carelessly created this uncontrollable creature.
Which, if he knows Darkseid or some other great threat is coming because "god is now dead" then what good does killing the guy that is preventing that from happening? How does Lex even know about this greater threat? As Freauzen said, Lex's motivations were just all over the place.
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:48 am to abellsujr
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You mean Flash?
OK, so that wasn't a dream? That was real Flash?
And he did look a little Mexican. I thought for a second he was the Arkham Knight, that didn't look like a Flash costume to me. But Whatevah, I was a marvel kid growing up.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:48 am to Fewer Kilometers
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The bombing that pushes Batman over the edge to the point where he has a kryptonite spear at Superman's throat? I don't think that he forgot about the bombing.
And the Daily Planet is practically funereal after the bombing.
Here let's put it this way: The weight of that scene is in congruence with what it actually was. Was there some effect? Sure, but it was so tiny in comparison to the rest of the intended story notes. It wasn't clear that it was the catalyst for Bruce, as he was already on that path. He was already going over the edge, we was already going after the Kryptonite. It just made him angrier....um ok? Without the bombing, the movie still happens the exact same way, it just probably takes longer.
They should have either - Made the Senate, the bombing, etc. the point of the movie, or used something else. It just doesn't work.
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You'e seeing what you want to see.
Sure.Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:51 am to BilJ
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I'd also like to know how Lex knew the identities of both. Superman makes sense if Lois figured it out in about an hour, but how did he know who Batman was?
I'm sorry but I laughed out loud when Clark's picture was in the newspaper. The fact that he doesn't even try to hide it, but we're going to assume that no one in the world looks at both and doesn't know who they are is hysterical. Also, Superman dies and Clark dies in the same event...just wtf Snyder?
At least leave his picture out, or something.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:54 am to Freauxzen
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I'm sorry but I laughed out loud when Clark's picture was in the newspaper. The fact that he doesn't even try to hide it, but we're going to assume that no one in the world looks at both and doesn't know who they are is hysterical. Also, Superman dies and Clark dies in the same event...just wtf Snyder?
At least leave his picture out, or something.
If you can't suspend your disbelief enough to accept the comic book secret identity concept then you shouldn't be watching superhero movies, plain and simple.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:54 am to Freauxzen
quote:Yep. How do you bring back Superman without bringing back Clark? I guess we know why they didn't have any Superman movies on the slate. Funny enough, I said they might kill Superman off months ago and people were heavily against it. Now, some of those same people are OK with it. SMH
Superman dies and Clark dies in the same event
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:54 am to Freauxzen
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I'm sorry but I laughed out loud when Clark's picture was in the newspaper. The fact that he doesn't even try to hide it, but we're going to assume that no one in the world looks at both and doesn't know who they are is hysterical. Also, Superman dies and Clark dies in the same event...just wtf Snyder?
My wife and I looked at each other at the same time and started busting up laughing. That was just bad.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:58 am to Freauxzen
it was just odd, they over complicated some things and over simplified others in reverse of how they should have.
How does Lex know how to control the ship and create an abomination? Eh he just does. Recipe for abomination, my blood plus Zod's=monster. He also reveals it to Superman like duh you know this is how it works.
How does Lex know the identities of Superman and Batman? He just does.
Why does Lex know about the other meta humans and even created logos for them? He just does.
How does Lex know how to control the ship and create an abomination? Eh he just does. Recipe for abomination, my blood plus Zod's=monster. He also reveals it to Superman like duh you know this is how it works.
How does Lex know the identities of Superman and Batman? He just does.
Why does Lex know about the other meta humans and even created logos for them? He just does.
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:58 am to RLDSC FAN
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My wife and I looked at each other at the same time and started busting up laughing. That was just bad.
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If you can't suspend your disbelief enough to accept the comic book secret identity concept then you shouldn't be watching superhero movies, plain and simple.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:01 am to Freauxzen
Well if someone agrees with you, then you must be correct.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:03 am to BilJ
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it was just odd, they over complicated some things and over simplified others in reverse of how they should have.
How does Lex know how to control the ship and create an abomination? Eh he just does.
How does Lex know the identities of Superman and Batman? He just does.
Why does Lex know about the other meta humans and even created logos for them? He just does.
The problem with Luthor is this: Lex Luthor is an incredibly brilliant super villain who uses his intelligence to beat everyone (even if that means creating things that use more brute force and less intelligence). And while we have good inspiration for such a villain (Lecter primarily), Snyder sees the cultural impact of something like the Joker. He wants that for Luthor. He doesn't trust the source material to give him something that can work and be as impactful.
But he can't make Luthor dumb, or "not smart," fans would go crazy. So he decides to make him "smart," by creating plot points where Luthor knows things. Being brilliant, for Snyder, is the villain, just knowing things. Completely unfamiliar alien technology? He's smart he can use it. Two different superheroes with secret identities? Etc. He only needs to know things to advance the plot along, but he's smart because he knows them.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:04 am to Fewer Kilometers
James Wan discusses Aquaman
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Being at a comic book convention, every journalist had their own question about Wan directing the solo Aquaman movie and Wan was gracious about answering every one. For us, he revealed that the world of Aquaman is inspiring some of his horror sensibilities. Think sea monsters!
“I think, like most people, we are familiar with Aquaman,” Wan said. “We grew up reading or watching this character on the peripheral. I was never so in depth with Aquaman as, let’s say, I was with X-Men. I grew up loving X-Men, Spider-Man and Batman. Those are obviously the key big ones, but there’s always something kind of cool about Aquaman still, the idea of creating a huge world that is on our planet. That’s the thing about Aquaman that’s cool is he’s not an alien, right? He’s from our planet and he’s from a society that we’re not privy to in the context of the story. Isn’t it crazy to think that we’ve explored space more than we have explored the depths of our ocean? That just fires up my imagination about potential sea monsters and cool creatures, that kind of stuff.”
Fans got their first glimpse of Jason Momoa‘s Aquaman in a Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice Easter egg scene. Momoa’s casting, and his solo movie, were announced before this weekend’s team-up film was completed.
While waiting our turn, we did hear all of Wan’s Aquaman talk down the line. Here are some other tidbits we picked up:
Though Warner Bros.’ Justice League universe has been established as dark and gritty, Wan told reporters that anything he does will still have a sense of fun.
Wan likes to describe his big studio movies, like Furious 7 and Aquaman, as playing in someone else’s sandbox, but he can still create his own castle.
Wan consideres Aquaman the underdog superhero, that people pick on him and make fun of him (think Entourage). He has the chance to break people’s expectations.
Wan likes that Aquaman is a fresh character who’s never been done in a movie before, as opposed to, say, Batman, Superman or Spider-Man.
As a fan of world creation, Aquaman gives Wan a chance to create a new world (see his quote above about the world beneath the depths of our own planet).
Regarding the technical challenge, Wan expects Aquaman to be “a motherfricker” to shoot, but he will apply the same mentality he uses on low budget films. First and foremost, you have to create cool characters.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:04 am to Thracken13
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well considering that I headed up my statement with "for me", i believe i was stating my opinion of what I felt was a high point of the movie for me.
it really isn't that hard to understand.
Well considering Aquaman was in the movie for 3 seconds, and we saw basically a short video of him swimming doing nothing, yeah, it is hard to understand.
I also dont' understand the people saying Irons "killed it" as Alfred. There's literally a million people on this planet that could have played Alfred in this movie and we woudln't have noticed a bit of a difference. He had what, 5 minutes of screen time, maybe.
I liked Man of Steel. I did not like this movie. First 45 minutes of this movie was a snooze fest.
The title of the movie, led up to a 3 minute fight that started and ended just dumb. i will say that it was nice to see Superman feel not invincible and showed how he's going to have to learn how to be a better hero outside of just being stronger than everyone else all the time.
i liked Lex Luthor's evilness, but hated Eisenberg and the lack of details with Luthor's character.
I did not like Batman killing people. I understand what they are going for, but I don't like it. He's not The Punisher, he's Batman.
It's just the whole universe they have created i don't like. I want my Superman and Batman to be the perfect heroes, always doing the right thing and fighting the bad guys following the code they've always been portrayed as following. I don't want a different Superman or Batman, but that's just me. I can understand how other may like this.
And i still hate Gadot as Wonder Woman. As others have said, why do we expect Cavill and Affleck to buff up but we let Wonder Woman look like a stick figure with no shape? I compare her to Loki, who Marvel doesn't really want us to think of him as being as strong as Thor, even though he is, so i guess i should think there's more to Wonder Woman than being like superman in terms of strength and powers.
I asked my wife's 73 year old grandmother what she thinks of Wonder Woman. She said she sees a tall beautiful woman with long black hair, and "chesty", as she said. She's never even heard of Captain America or Iron Man.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:06 am to TeddyPadillac
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I asked my wife's 73 year old grandmother what she thinks of Wonder Woman.
Gross.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:07 am to Freauxzen
quote:Pretty much all his dialogue was about this theme, maybe the joker delivery made it seem like 6 different things?
Luthor was about 6 different things.
quote:I didn't say you did. That was just my feeling on the dark dour nature of DC. Right now.
Did I mention Marvel in reference to the tone
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They were plot devices and nothing more.
I can't think of any part of the dream that led Bruce to some resolution of the main plot.
They were there mainly for character development to express his madness/god fear and the desert one was the only one that hints at a future story line (still secondary though). So I must have missed how they were used as a "plot device"
quote:So? And I'm pretty sure there were a few comics in the 90s with batman having visions. Someone who has read the comics lately will have to confirm that.
because Batman doesn't need/get visions
quote:Like the bombing influencing superman to leave for some reflection time on top of mountain where he speaks to his earth father.
I mean through the rest of the film
One of the major character conflicts in MoS was supes' struggle with his earth fathers warning of how humans will view him. The entire point of the Senate hearings ( and background news) story was a realization of this warning and they lead superman finding his resolve on the mountain top.
As someone else posted, this was the final loss (security guard) that pushes batman over the edge
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:07 am to RLDSC FAN
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James Wan discusses Aquaman
Careful. We have to get through hating on Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman before we can get to Aquaman.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:07 am to Freauxzen
Not a comic book guy, but I enjoyed it for the popcorn flick that it is. But it felt like Snyder was confused on what direction to go. Make it for the general population of non comic readers? Then he failed in many regards such as Robin's suit, Batman's Knightmare sequence, and most importantly the horrific casting of Lex Luthor.
If it was made for the hard core comic book fans then it also failed according to what I've read on this board, particularly with Batman now a killing machine.
And that's not even mentioning "Martha" or many of the scenes with Lois Lane, which I found to be pretty terrible.
And Batman's epilogue was too forced and generic.
I'll continue to watch comic movies because they're fun more often than not. But this was a little bit of a let down.
If it was made for the hard core comic book fans then it also failed according to what I've read on this board, particularly with Batman now a killing machine.
And that's not even mentioning "Martha" or many of the scenes with Lois Lane, which I found to be pretty terrible.
And Batman's epilogue was too forced and generic.
I'll continue to watch comic movies because they're fun more often than not. But this was a little bit of a let down.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:08 am to abellsujr
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Also, his reason for creating Doomsday is shaky. Clearly he had the impression that Superman would kill Batman. Otherwise, why create him?
To kill superman after he killed batman? That would be 2 of the trinity down.
And lex using his own blood to create doomsday allowed him to control it.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:08 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Well if someone agrees with you, then you must be correct.
You spend an inordinate amount of time commenting on people rather than the movie.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:10 am to hawgfaninc
quote:You mean like when Superman had to save his arse from being pummeled by him?
And lex using his own blood to create doomsday allowed him to control it.
quote:I've already addressed this.
To kill superman after he killed batman? That would be 2 of the trinity down.
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