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Posted on 3/28/16 at 8:42 am to Bluefin
Sorry I haven't read this entire thread since it got all obtuse on page five. Did anyone explain who the Mexican ghost Robin was in the dream? The guy who tells Bruce that Lois is the key to something.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 8:44 am to LucasP
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Did anyone explain who the Mexican ghost Robin was in the dream?
That was American Flash.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 8:45 am to LucasP
quote:You mean Flash?
Mexican ghost Robin
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 8:57 am to Freauxzen
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Bad - The pacing - Can Zack Snyder hold a scene for longer than 90 seconds? I think the cumulative longest scene outside of the final fight was Luthor's party, and even that was only a few minutes. The cutting was infuriating. He couldn't let anything sit for more than a second or two. This made everything have absolutely no impact. Nothing resonated. Nothing was memorable - outside of some of the action sequences.
I actually enjoyed the pacing. Different strokes
Posted on 3/28/16 at 8:58 am to LucasP
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Mexican ghost Robin
Posted on 3/28/16 at 8:59 am to RLDSC FAN
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For all the people that complain about Batman killing in this film...
Batman Kill Count
im sure OML flipped his shite for those movies too
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:00 am to sorantable
I went to this movie expecting to kill a mockingbird meets batman and superman
No courtroom drama at all
No courtroom drama at all
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:01 am to sorantable
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I actually enjoyed the pacing. Different strokes
I mean different strokes, but this ended up with a film that was a discombobulated mess and no weight to anything that went on. There was no time for emotional resonance in any scene. (And again, this doesn't mean the film has to be super serious or have some big meaning, it is an action movie, but all well made pieces of narrative - short story, books, movies, etc. - will use certain effects to create emotional response. Even in this movie, that never worked, partly because of the editing and story flow).
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:06 am to Salamander_Wilson
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How was Aquaman a high point of the film?
well considering that I headed up my statement with "for me", i believe i was stating my opinion of what I felt was a high point of the movie for me.
it really isn't that hard to understand.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:07 am to Freauxzen
Snyder had a basic outline for what he wanted to do, but didn't know to fill in the blanks.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:22 am to Freauxzen
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There was no reason behind his plan
He was the embodiment of the God fearing theme in this movie. His delivery of dialogue sucked and wasn't as effective as the writers/director intended, but his motive is certainly there.
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Bad - DC stands for Disavow Contentment - Joyless. Humorless. Unfunny. Just a dour, oppressive world they live in.
Good. I don't want DC to be like marvel here.
Plus, I've always seen DC as a grittier universe.
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The dreams were also terrible, although I do like Knightmare Batman, but that added absolutely nothing to story
One of the major character studies presented in the film was Bruce's growing madness from his loss. The dreams are major point in expressing this and his fear of a God like creature on earth. Plus the nightmare has the added benefit of setting up later movies.
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if I go back to the Senate bombing, there was just nothing. No remorse from Superman.
Ugghh... He was basically crying in the aftermath of the bomb and felt guilty for not being able to stop it. The next scene, he expresses this guilt and sadness to Lois as she tries to console him on the balcony of her hotel.
I thought those two scenes were pretty strong
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:26 am to jeff5891
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He was the embodiment of the God fearing theme in this movie
I don't know he seemed to bounce around a bit....from just a mistrust, to daddy issues, God fearing, etc.
The frame job was also dumb, why would Superman be using bullets to take out some African terrorists? Who would buy that?
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:33 am to BilJ
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The frame job was also dumb, why would Superman be using bullets to take out some African terrorists? Who would buy that?
We constantly have similar situations with U.S. officials being blamed for Mid East debacles. The lack of weapons of destruction in Iraq, Benghazi... Their argument was that Superman flew into an international situation with no authorization from anyone, and people ended up dead because of it.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:34 am to jeff5891
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He was the embodiment of the God fearing theme in this movie. His delivery of dialogue sucked and wasn't as effective as the writers/director intended, but his motive is certainly there.
His motive was all over the place. Batman was certainly God-fearing - Luthor was about 6 different things.
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Good. I don't want DC to be like marvel here.
Plus, I've always seen DC as a grittier universe.
Did I mention Marvel in reference to the tone? The problem with Snyder is that he thinks complexity comes from something that is simply darker (and probably "darker than marvel,"), and that's all he needs to do. The movie wasn't gritty. and it didn't, like MoS, earn the level of "darkness" that it wanted. So it came off as hokey and forced.
It's not that a dark film can't work, it's that Snyder has no idea how to make one. There's a BIG different between "dour," and "content." Big.
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One of the major character studies presented in the film was Bruce's growing madness from his loss. The dreams are major point in expressing this and his fear of a God like creature on earth. Plus the nightmare has the added benefit of setting up later movies.
If they were visions, they were dumb because Batman doesn't need/get visions. If they were dreams, they were far too revealing. The problem was the line drawn and the amount of them. This film did not require 5 dream sequences. They were plot devices and nothing more. It was a piece that Snyder had no idea what he wanted to do with, so he just threw it in there.
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Ugghh... He was basically crying in the aftermath of the bomb and felt guilty for not being able to stop it. The next scene, he expresses this guilt and sadness to Lois as she tries to console him on the balcony of her hotel.
I thought those two scenes were pretty strong
I mean through the rest of the film. That kind of event should weigh on you, and it doesn't. See the pacing issue. Everyone forgets about that bombing. Everyone.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:36 am to jeff5891
"If God is all-good, he can't be all-powerful and if God is all-powerful, he can't be all good."
That was an awesome line from Alexander.
That was an awesome line from Alexander.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:36 am to BilJ
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why would Superman be using bullets to take out some African terrorists?
So that it would look like he was trying to conceal his actions. They also had witnesses saying they saw him do this.
That was my interpretation of using the bullets
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:40 am to Freauxzen
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Everyone forgets about that bombing. Everyone.
The bombing that pushes Batman over the edge to the point where he has a kryptonite spear at Superman's throat? I don't think that he forgot about the bombing.
And the Daily Planet is practically funereal after the bombing.
You'e seeing what you want to see.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:41 am to BilJ
Also, his reason for creating Doomsday is shaky. Clearly he had the impression that Superman would kill Batman. Otherwise, why create him? Maybe to combat the other metahumans? They could have really explained that a little better. I mean, I guess Lex is just trying to put devils against Gods.
He clearly knows that Darkseid is coming. He's basically doing the same thing that Loki did in Avengers and creating the first wave of attacks. But even Loki had issues with earth because he was jealous of his brother, etc. Loki also had some kind of control over the evil he brought to earth. Lex just carelessly created this uncontrollable creature.
He clearly knows that Darkseid is coming. He's basically doing the same thing that Loki did in Avengers and creating the first wave of attacks. But even Loki had issues with earth because he was jealous of his brother, etc. Loki also had some kind of control over the evil he brought to earth. Lex just carelessly created this uncontrollable creature.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 9:43 am to Freauxzen
I think they would have just been best served to keep it a little more simple, Batman naturally distrusts Superman, Lex uses that to manipulate Batman through less overly complicated methods, etc.
I'd also like to know how Lex knew the identities of both. Superman makes sense if Lois figured it out in about an hour, but how did he know who Batman was?
I'd also like to know how Lex knew the identities of both. Superman makes sense if Lois figured it out in about an hour, but how did he know who Batman was?
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