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re: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Disney+) - Episode 6 Discussion Thread
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:57 pm to BomBayTiger
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:57 pm to BomBayTiger
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The fact that Kenobi left Vader/Anakin to live for the 2nd time is inexcusable.
It’s lazy writing and typical of the whole show. It felt extremely low-rent. The same BS over and over. So and so gets stabbed with a lightsaber and is done for…just kidding!
People survive lightsaber wounds like they’re being shot with a paintball gun. Bringing Darth Maul and the emperor back after both were killed was the start of this nonsense.
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:06 pm to dirtsandwich
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I’ve been a little surprised to see a lot of people/significant majority say that he was one of the most powerful Jedi of all time. I’ve never really thought that but I also know there are a lot of people who pay a lot closer attention to things that I do. But wasn’t he almost killed like a dozen times in the clone wars series? How many times in this series? I know that’s not the only way to judge a Jedi but he got beat/tricked/captured a lot for the supposed best warrior of all time.
Yea when it comes to sheer power, he isn’t one of the top. I got a little annoyed with some of the force they had him use in the final fight because it is just out of character for him. He has never been one to have over the top force abilities like that as far as combat goes. What he is immensely good at it is using the force to read his opponent and counter their momentum against them. His whole lightsaber style is based on that. It’s his battle intelligence that makes him so dangerous in a duel.
I thought the fight was really awesome to watch from just a sheer entertainment standpoint. Like a ton of their stuff, it just doesn’t fit the general story. Obi Wan should not leave this knowing he can defeat Vader. At this point in time, he is defeated and Vader greatly outmatches him. He knows this. That’s why there is Luke.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:07 pm to theunknownknight
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First, according to lore, Obiwan COULDN’T beat Vader by then - Vader was way to powerful, that’s WHY Obiwan trained Luke - to kill Vader
Amen
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:07 pm to The Pirate King
I really can’t get over Kenobi beating Vader and walking away.
It really is stupid in the grand scheme of things with everything Star Wars has built in the past.
It makes zero sense other than to explain why he told Luke his father was dead and why he called Vader “Darth”
It’s like that is ALL these writers knew about the original trilogy
In the end, they turned Obi-wan into a sadistic groomer of children
It really is stupid in the grand scheme of things with everything Star Wars has built in the past.
It makes zero sense other than to explain why he told Luke his father was dead and why he called Vader “Darth”
It’s like that is ALL these writers knew about the original trilogy
In the end, they turned Obi-wan into a sadistic groomer of children
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:12 pm to theunknownknight
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First, according to lore, Obiwan COULDN’T beat Vader by then - Vader was way to powerful, that’s WHY Obiwan trained Luke - to kill Vader
What lore said Obi-Wan couldn’t defeat Vader at that stage of their lives? He trained Luke a decade later.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:18 pm to theunknownknight
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In the end, they turned Obi-wan into a sadistic groomer of children
As were all the Jedi
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:20 pm to bcoop199
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Lmao Grievous had just thrown Kenobi over the cliff and he was barely hanging on with no lightsaber when Obi Wan shot him.
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He let Vader live again knowing that means Vader and the Empire will still rule the galaxy and oppress/kill. Kenobi should've been forced to escape by stormtroopers/Inquisitors/etc....
Obi Wan doing anything besides walking away after the conversation with Anakin/Vader would've been so out of character imo. Kenobi was completely flowing with the force at this point, had confronted his past and his fears as the Jedi master he is at his core, and had come to peace with how shite played out with Anakin, hence being able to reconnect with Qui Gon at the end. Vader was absolutely beaten. Trying to deal the killing blow but getting cut off and scrambling back to Tatooine never to see Vader again doesn’t really line up with the Obi Wan in episode 4
Killing Vader right then does what? The Emperor is still in complete control and has other enforcers. The Empire continues pillaging every planet they want. The Death Star is still being built and it was Tarkin who blew up Alderaan.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:22 pm to theunknownknight
quote:obiwan was lower mid tier in the force..not on the level of a Yoda, he was just a genuinely good man who wanted to make the right decisions.
He’s not.
Not even close.
This series puts him up there with the Emperor..which is just not how it was. The field of boulders being lifted was never in his arsenal.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:36 pm to The Pirate King
quote:Maul had too much hate to die. Plus he wasn't a human, his race has 2 hearts and he was the spawn of nightsister magic. So, I can buy him living. He's a shell of the former warrior he was. (Maul should have been a conflict for obiwan over the prequels. What a missed opportunity.)
Bringing Darth Maul and the emperor back after both were killed was the start of this nonsense
Palpatine was killed in sith tradition, by his apprentice. Bringing him back was a mistake, but they seemed so desperate for a plot after TLJ.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:37 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:Yoda did.
What lore said Obi-Wan couldn’t defeat Vader at that stage of their lives? He trained Luke a decade later.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:43 pm to SEClint
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This series puts him up there with the Emperor
no it didn’t Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:44 pm to David Ricky
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Killing Vader right then does what?
Yeah, I think had Vader not said to him..sorta relieving the responsibility from Obiwan in what happened, he would have continued fighting.
He was going to kill Anakin, but realized anakin was already dead.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:45 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:the frick it didn't, no one besides the emperor is out forcing Vader at this point. Especially not Obiwan.
no it didn’t
You don't even know what the frick you're talking about anyways..saying Obiwan trained Luke up there. Go watch the films again and do some research.
Pay attention when luke reaches Dagobah.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 12:06 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 12:41 am to dirtsandwich
I really enjoyed it. Was it perfect? No. The writing wasn't the best at times but it didn't detract from my overall enjoyment of the show.
Ewan nailed it as Kenobi and I thought Hayden did very well too.
Not trying to say too much because I have no idea if this is a spoiler or non spoiler thread but I really enjoyed it.
Ewan nailed it as Kenobi and I thought Hayden did very well too.
Not trying to say too much because I have no idea if this is a spoiler or non spoiler thread but I really enjoyed it.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 12:46 am to SEClint
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the frick it didn't, no one besides the emperor is out forcing Vader at this point. Especially not Obiwan.
Already explained by the emperor. Vader isn’t fighting at full strength when it comes to obi-wan.
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You don't even know what the frick you're talking about anyways..saying Obiwan trained Luke up there. Go watch the films again and do some research.
Pay attention when luke reaches Dagobah.
Go back and read what I responded to. Someone said Obi-wan was training Luke to defeat Vader. I simply pointed out that that was a decade later. 
Posted on 6/23/22 at 1:12 am to Mickey Goldmill
quote:its not about Vader's strength, its about Obi-Wan's.
Already explained by the emperor. Vader isn’t fighting at full strength when it comes to obi-wan.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:21 am to SEClint
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Maul should have been a conflict for obiwan over the prequels. What a missed opportunity.)
Maul should have been the antagonist for this series, not Vader.
But Obi Wan would’ve needed to fake his death for continuity purposes.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 4:53 am to dirtsandwich
5 and 6 were awesome.
Someone in my house started sautéing onions when Ewan looked Anakin in the eye.
Overall Disney SW has been a failure but these last two episodes and Rogue One are the exceptions.
I think they’re too boxed in by the originals for another season though. Qui Gon can’t exactly teach him all kinds of stuff considering the pathetic “duel” in Ep4. Unless they make the fan edit canon which it should be.
Someone in my house started sautéing onions when Ewan looked Anakin in the eye.
Overall Disney SW has been a failure but these last two episodes and Rogue One are the exceptions.
I think they’re too boxed in by the originals for another season though. Qui Gon can’t exactly teach him all kinds of stuff considering the pathetic “duel” in Ep4. Unless they make the fan edit canon which it should be.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 5:04 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 6:18 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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I thought it was a good way to wrap up her part of this story.
Baw, her story ain't done. She's getting her own spin-off series.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 6:20 am to BomBayTiger
quote:They are a bit vague and heavy-handed with it, but the overall plan, I believe, is that Palpatine is the one that must be defeated, and Anakin is the only one able to do so. Mace failed, Yoda failed. Obi Wan can't do it. Luke never stood a chance.
The fact that Kenobi left Vader/Anakin to live for the 2nd time is inexcusable.
The reason Luke (and Leia) are so important isn't to protect kids, it's that those children are the only hope to flip Vader back to the Light.
So you can't kill Vader, and you can't let those kids die; or Palpatine's victory is complete and irreversible.
Obi Wan and Yoda grasp that, at least subconsciously, and play the long game. Most of the other remaining Jedi (and all the non-Force folk) don't see that, and Palpatine is too arrogant to think Vader can be turned.
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