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re: Obama to crack down on movie, music, software piracy
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:09 pm to Big Pun
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:09 pm to Big Pun
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DRM is just a way to try to stop people from sharing it with everyone. all the free downloads and loss of money caused it so blame those people.
so should I poke out my ears so i dont accidently hear music someone is attempting to "share" with me?
music has *ALWAYS* been shared via reel-to-reel, cassette tapes, CDs and now mp3s and the idea that only the dreaded mp3s are evil is laughable and as retarded as anything else coming out of this administration.
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Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:11 pm to CornDogCologne
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The artists will do fine.
yes, lil wayne & others will be fine. but its bad for these middle tier artists. on the other hand its great for artists to get discovered, they basically give it away and beg for a deal or sales.
But there are many other people in the music / movie business other than the artists.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:11 pm to CAD703X
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where was obama in 1972 when i was recording pink floyd off fm102 on my kmart tape recorder?
I did this in 1998 when MMMBop came on the radio
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:12 pm to Big Pun
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yes, lil wayne & others will be fine. but its bad for these middle tier artists. on the other hand its great for artists to get discovered, they basically give it away and beg for a deal or sales.
But there are many other people in the music / movie business other than the artists.
dude. the music industry is alive and well. i haven't yet seen anyone (well except metallica) who ended up eating out of trash cans because fans share their music.
hell, without "piracy" the greatful dead fanbase wouldn't even exist.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:13 pm to CAD703X
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where was obama in 1972 when i was recording pink floyd off fm102 on my kmart tape recorder?
Dark side of the Moon (released a year later) has sold almost 50 million copies. And that was before the days when artists had to recoup on production and video to the tune that they do today.
How many artists in the last decade have sold more than a fourth of that? Plenty of artists have to do promotional tours and nonstop radio appearances just to recoup and break even.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:14 pm to Big Pun
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But there are many other people in the music / movie business other than the artists.
Yes, there are, but there are points in every industry where some jobs are dropped due to whatever reason. This may be that time for some of those people. I'm not saying it is right or wrong, simply stating what it is. Think of factory workers or laborers being replaced by machines. Think of small, family owned businesses being shut down by stores like Wal-Mart or Target.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:14 pm to Big Pun
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But there are many other people in the music / movie business other than the artists.
These other people in the industry are just apparatus that has been built around the talent. Some of it isn't adaptable to recent changes in the way things work and they will ultimately fall by the wayside. Other parts of the industry are viable and will continue to be useful. Don't rip me off with $20 dollar CDs with DRM just to continue supporting an aging and unwieldy industry.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:15 pm to Afreaux
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How many artists in the last decade have sold more than a fourth of that? Plenty of artists have to do promotional tours and nonstop radio appearances just to recoup and break even
dude.
how many artists could afford the studio fees to make recordings in 1972?
how many artists now have 'garageband' on their macs?
apples and oranges but of course to you, there's no difference in the # of different artists and music today than there were in 1972 when the RIAA had a complete stranglehold over the industry.
enjoy your ignorance, afreaux.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:17 pm to CAD703X
um, thats an ignorant statement.
would you like the list of people out of jobs because of how "great the industry is doing."
pirating music is illegal. it was looked over in history because it didn't have an impact on sales. people who made "mixtapes" on cassette typically still bought music. now most people get limewire, etc and just go to town. but only the rich artists are losing there i forgot!
i don't blame anyone for downloading music, but to think it's you're right to steal is just retarded.
would you like the list of people out of jobs because of how "great the industry is doing."
pirating music is illegal. it was looked over in history because it didn't have an impact on sales. people who made "mixtapes" on cassette typically still bought music. now most people get limewire, etc and just go to town. but only the rich artists are losing there i forgot!
i don't blame anyone for downloading music, but to think it's you're right to steal is just retarded.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:18 pm to CAD703X
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apples and oranges but of course to you, there's no difference in the # of different artists and music today than there were in 1972 when the RIAA had a complete stranglehold over the industry.
exactly. much, much easier to make an album today because of technology.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:19 pm to Afreaux
quote:how many artists would not be doing what they love if not for people downloading their music, coming to their gigs, buying their merch?
How many artists in the last decade have sold more than a fourth of that?
quote:yea these guys would have been out of the industry by now in the past
Plenty of artists have to do promotional tours and nonstop radio appearances just to recoup and break even.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:20 pm to Big Pun
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pirating music is illegal.
define what this means for me. i dont get it.
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people who made "mixtapes" on cassette typically still bought music
link?
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now most people get limewire, etc and just go to town. but only the rich artists are losing there i forgot!
again, link? quote:
i don't blame anyone for downloading music, but to think it's you're right to steal is just retarded.
which is it? you first said DRM should keep me from sharing music with a friend (see your second point above) but now you say its all about 'downloading' music.
'download' is to 2010 as 'kmart tape player' is to 1972. only the quality of the transfer has improved since then.
discuss.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:21 pm to Afreaux
quote:dude, more and more artists self produce today than ever before. You cannot possibly be ignorant to that.
And that was before the days when artists had to recoup on production and video to the tune that they do today.
You can produce a record for a tenth of what it used to cost
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:22 pm to Pilot Tiger
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dude, more and more artists self produce today than ever before. You cannot possibly be ignorant to that.
no he just never admits he's wrong.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:22 pm to Big Pun
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i'm pretty shocked by the thread, i thought ppl would be bitching they won't be able to get free music / movies. instead they just bashed obama.
He's not the most popular guy in Louisiana these days
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:28 pm to Big Pun
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all the free downloads and loss of money caused it
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Biden states, "Piracy hurts, it hurts our economy."
Interestingly, the statements seem to fly in the face of a recent Government Accountability Office study released to U.S. Congress earlier this year, which concluded that there is virtually no evidence for the claimed million dollar losses by the entertainment industry. That study suggested that piracy could even benefit the economy.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:28 pm to Pilot Tiger
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dude, more and more artists self produce today than ever before. You cannot possibly be ignorant to that.
You can produce a record for a tenth of what it used to cost
Afreaux is a DJ on a pay for play latin music station. He knows more about this industry than you ever will.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:34 pm to CAD703X
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how many artists now have 'garageband' on their macs?
You mean the artists that write their own stuff and don't get spins? Or the artists that pay for songwriters, studio time, mixing, mastering, sample clearance?
You're right, Taylor Swift had the best selling album of 2009 because she did it all on her Mac.
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enjoy your ignorance, afreaux.
10 years as a music journalist, what do I know
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pay for play
You're right, I've paid $500 an hour for the last five years.
What a fricking moron
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:37 pm to Afreaux
I don't associate talent with being played on the radio. I can't last more than 15 minutes on the radio without turning it off in disgust. The stuff that the media tries to force feed people is revolting in most cases.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 1:38 pm to Afreaux
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You're right, Taylor Swift had the best selling album of 2009 because she did it all on her Mac.
i don't see how taylor swift matters at all. they're not affected by downloading
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