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re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)

Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:33 am to
Posted by 632627
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:33 am to
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The plot thickens.



So this guy murdered, dismembered and disposed of Teresa Haibach on the Avery property and not one person noticed a strange fat dude in their yard?
Posted by Hazelnut
Member since May 2011
16466 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:41 am to
Great post that I agree with completely.

But....

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Except for...China, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Egypt, Vietnam, North Korea.

You said Yemen twice. I don't know why it bugged me enough to let you know, but here we are
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:50 am to
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So this guy murdered, dismembered and disposed of Teresa Haibach on the Avery property and not one person noticed a strange fat dude in their yard?


Apparently. You can throw FBI into any conversation, and typically, that is enough to wow most people. I've seen the FBI "DNA expert" and imagined FBI agents involved in this case mentioned more than a few times in here, "because FBI".
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11377 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 10:15 am to
As someone in law enforcement, is there any way he doesn't get arrested and serve time for the gun charges? The law is black and white on this issue. How could a jury find him innocent on that?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39854 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 10:19 am to
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Well I mean very few have so much footage of their trial AND an initial wrongful conviction.

BUT regardless, this is part of the problem. Most of these cases involve people with traits or characteristics that the police and DA's use to make them unlikable.

Ron Williamson was a professional baseball player. BUT he was a drug addict when he was wrongfully convicted.

The West Memphis 3 were cocky teenagers. That's still used against them to this day.

Just look at the comments about Tamir Rice. I mean yeah, he shouldn't have been pretending a fake gun was real, but people are excusing the officers' irresponsible actions YET condemning the "stupid" actions of a 12 year old.

Adnan Syed. Well he's a smart young man. BUT he's a Muslim so many have already used that against him.

There is always a fatal flaw that society can latch onto. Maybe we all have it, but in these emotional cases, it becomes a centerpiece that often cases irreputable harm, and makes the innocent still seem guilty of something nefarious.


The politics of "respectability."
Posted by olemc999
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15297 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 11:06 am to
I think Scott Taydch did it.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 11:21 am to
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As someone in law enforcement, is there any way he doesn't get arrested and serve time for the gun charges? The law is black and white on this issue. How could a jury find him innocent on that?




Unlawful search and seizure could be argued.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 11:23 am to
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So this guy murdered, dismembered and disposed of Teresa Haibach on the Avery property and not one person noticed a strange fat dude in their yard?


If you haven't watched the show, 95% of the town are strange and fat.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 11:30 am to
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I support his fricking conviction because he fricking did it.


We're supposed to believe a blowhard like yourself in omniscient?
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 11:33 am to
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We're supposed to believe a blowhard like yourself in omniscient?




Indubitably
Posted by wish i was tebow
The Golf Board
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 11:35 am to
Just don't see what facts support the I'm 100% sure he did it.

Thinking someone did it doesn't mean they should be in jail
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 11:47 am to
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may I ask how you support that. what evidence beyond a reasonable doubt shows that he did it?




I don't have the time to get into the many reasons why I believe that he did it, but if you can give a reasonable explanation of how the bullet fragment, tied forensically to Avery's gun, ended up with Halbach's blood on it, I'll open my mind and hear your case.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 11:58 am to
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bullet fragment, tied forensically to Avery's gun,


I'd love to hear how a fragment of a hollow point .22LR round that passed through skull twice was forensically tied to his gun.
This post was edited on 1/22/16 at 11:59 am
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11377 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 12:07 pm to
Seriously? He invited the cops to search the trailer and they were hanging on the wall. They already had a warrant to search the property and the trailer was next. With the remains found on the property, a warrant was a lock.

He did try to argue that they belonged to someone else. But they were in his possession and the law is clear on that. Really doesn't help that one is supposed to be the murder weapon. But regardless, they were obtained lawfully..
Posted by EarthwormJim
Member since Dec 2005
10063 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 12:36 pm to
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I don't have the time to get into the many reasons why I believe that he did it, but if you can give a reasonable explanation of how the bullet fragment, tied forensically to Avery's gun, ended up with Halbach's blood on it, I'll open my mind and hear your case.


When did they find blood on a bullet? I've only seen where her DNA was on a bullet, not blood.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 12:47 pm to
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When did they find blood on a bullet? I've only seen where her DNA was on a bullet, not blood.




Ok, her DNA then, how did it get on the bullet?


Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 12:47 pm to
Double post

This post was edited on 1/22/16 at 12:51 pm
Posted by EarthwormJim
Member since Dec 2005
10063 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 12:58 pm to
The lab tech admitted to contaminating the bullet.

The bullet wasn't found until March 1st, which seems odd. And if this bullet was actually shot through the victim why is there no blood on it or surrounding it?
Posted by Kujo
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 1:06 pm to
Just dawned on me, All the time they were going back and forth with appeals to get him initially exonerated...ie. the Pubic Hair DNA.

That's probably when his Blood sample was taken which broke the seal and punctured the sample bottle. They only discovered it after the murder arrest which makes it seam that his blood could have been planted.

Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39854 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 1:09 pm to
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Just dawned on me, All the time they were going back and forth with appeals to get him initially exonerated...ie. the Pubic Hair DNA.

That's probably when his Blood sample was taken which broke the seal and punctured the sample bottle. They only discovered it after the murder arrest which makes it seam that his blood could have been planted.


I always took it as a given that they accessed the blood for DNA tests the first time around. It just looks like no sort of professional standard was adhered to.
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