re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)

Would a member of her family have known the Avery property enough, or had enough access to it (garage ect.) to be able to pull this off?

How would they know which burn pit to put her bones in or where to dispose of her car on the property ect?

I guess it is possible that someone else, the brother maybe, killed her somewhere else and the cops found her body and vehicle, then did the rest of the work as far as framing Avery. Seems implausible to me. I think if he was set up then a cop either had to have killed him or a cop got someone else to do it.

I do think Steve Avery should've been acquitted. .

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I'm fairly certain all of this was covered in the show.

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It actually wasn't.

Actually there were also a lot of things that were not mentioned in the doc that make Avery look bad. Not all necessarily direct evidence to this murder, but he was a sick, fricked up dude.

Do some research about it if you haven't. If you have and still feel like the doc wasn't biased, I would be shocked. But that's your opinion.

Honestly I've hashed this thing to death with many people (most not on this board) and I'm tired of it. Most of the people who I know that saw this felt VERY different about the whole thing after they found out some of the stuff about Steve Avery that was kept out of the doc.

Obviously there were some issues within the sheriff's department. It's hard to dispute that, IMO. There were people closely involved that should NEVER have been anywhere near this case. I believe some evidence was planted. I also believe Steve Avery is guilty as sin.

Ultimately people will believe what they want, just make sure your research is not limited to this doc.

Personally, I'm very happy Avery is locked up.

That's cool. Like I said, I'm not here to argue. I believe that there are things out there that relate to him being a sexual predator. There's enough information out there for me to believe that. The important thing is that the dude is locked up, IMO. Whether or not we agree about what was and what was not planted can go back and forth till the end of time. You may always believe he didn't kill that girl. I will always believe he did. Like I said, the important thing for me is that he's locked up.

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Honestly I've hashed this thing to death with many people (most not on this board) and I'm tired of it. Most of the people who I know that saw this felt VERY different about the whole thing after they found out some of the stuff about Steve Avery that was kept out of the doc.

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No one has any idea of whether or not Avery is guilty or not. Thinking that we can form a cogent opinion from a documentary and/or from "left out evidence," is a misguided notion and the entire problem. For the jurors and those involved, all of this is tainted and THAT'S part of the point.

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Personally, I'm very happy Avery is locked up.

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While on a basic level, maybe. However, the ends shouldn't justify the means. Right now, regardless of whether or not he did it, according to our laws, Avery , form the case that was presented even with the "extra evidence, should be a free man. That sucks, but I'd rather a system that is trusted to work than one that gets it right based on tampering, conflicts of interest, etc. That's a bad precedent.

I just change my mind over and over.

For being borderline retarded, he's a pretty damn good liar. He's pretty convincing in his interviews while she is missing and when he gets detained.

The thing with the bones can be explained that members of the family/ex boyfriend had freaking access to the search. 7 days is plenty of time to move bones from the initial burn spot and plant them on the Avery property.

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Not sure why more people aren't talking about this. If this is true and they left if out of the documentary, it paints the doc producers in a pretty bad light. This makes it seem that they were manufacturing evidence because they really did know that he was guilty.

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It's pretty easy for filmmakers to present the evidence in such a way that supports their opinion. They're obviously pro Avery and it's very surprising that more people here are taking everything at face value and believe him to be innocent.

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Actually, after extensive reading on the case, seeing the doc, and reading about the other evidence. . .

I am pretty confident of 3 things:

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Actually, I dug in a little more and found a couple of good collections of stuff. Let's not call them indisputable facts, but given the Internet, even Slashfilm can collect links together.

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Just some highlights:

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According to documents obtained by TMZ, Steven Avery claims that both of his brothers have a history of sexually assaulting women and that his brother Charles has a history of aggression toward women who visited the family’s salvage yard, and that Charles would pursue women to their homes and seek intimate contact to the extent that they would fear for their safety. Apparently one woman even went to the police claiming that Charles sent her inappropriate gifts, called her over and over again, and showed up at her doorstep. Most interesting, all of the women were allegedly harassed by Charles within a month of the time Teresa Halbach went missing. According to Steven, Charles had the motive to frame him, which includes jealousy over his (at the time possible) multi-million dollar reparation settlement, and its very possible Charles did not want him to take over the family business. Of course, Steven was unable to point fingers during the trial, and Steven’s theories were not presented in the television series.

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Which links to another site on page 2: LINK

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“The German”: A man who visited a property near the Avery compound on the day and supposedly had “scratches on his back and a cut finger that bled intermittently.”His wife reported that she found “bloody women’s panties, fresh bones, a can of lighter fluid with bloody fingerprints, a mason’s hammer covered in dark red flecks, graphic pornographic magazines, and surgical gloves” to the Manitowoc County Sheriff’s Department.
Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey’s family members, most notably Bobby Dassey, who had fresh scratches on his back days after the murder, and his father, Scott Tadych, who corroborated one another’s alibis and were vocally anti-Steve throughout the entire case.
Officer Colburn and Lieutenant Lenk are the subject of many fan theories for the obvious reasons presented in the series.
Ryan Hillegas: Teresa’s ex-boyfriend who is shown leading a search party, being questioned as a witness in Steven’s trial, and speaking to the media, is the subject of a lot of theories.
Teresa’s possible suicide: Some people believe that Teresa Halbach may have taken her own life, led by the cryptic video messages about “If I were to die” and her status as “Missing Endangered”.
An Unknown Stalker: It was briefly mentioned by one of Teresa’s colleagues that she was intentionally avoiding calls and saying things like “Not him again.” Some people think the man could be Avery or the ex-boyfriend, but what is it was an unknown stalker who exploited the Sheriff’s Department’s dislike for Avery by framing him and leaving evidence to be planted by Officer Colburn?
Steven Avery: Many people still believe he may have been the murderer, but even those people think that because of the lack of evidence and obvious bias that influenced the case, he should not have been convicted due to “reasonable doubt.”

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In a now-deleted Reddit post, a user references a blog post from 2009 written by a man named Brian McCorkle, which describes a woman living right outside the Avery family's property at the time of the murders. Estranged from her erratic, sometimes violent, fire-obsessed husband, whose last name was "German," the woman discovered that he'd visited her home (near the Avery compound) on the day of Teresa Halbach's murder, Oct. 31, 2005. "He [German] visited the Maribel area and had stopped at the rental before the lease began. He spoke of visiting an auto salvage yard. He commented that a woman wanted to take pictures of the rental property . . . and he felt that the photographer was 'stupid.'" After this incident, the woman discovered that "her husband had scratches on his back and a cut finger that bled intermittently." Later, upon seeing a missing persons flyer showing Teresa Halbach, German remarked "she's dead." Following other suspicious incidents, the woman called the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department, who arrested and charged her husband with disorderly conduct and resisting an officer. In November 2005, the same woman discovered a number of suspicious items in German's home: bloody women's panties, fresh bones, a can of lighter fluid with bloody fingerprints, a mason's hammer covered in dark red flecks, graphic pornographic magazines, and surgical gloves. After reporting these things to the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department during another of her husband's frightening episodes (for which he was arrested), the police rebuffed her by claiming that Teresa's clothing had already been accounted for and that the panties likely belonged to a child. However, the woman continued to believe that her husband was involved with Halbach's disappearance after moving cross-country to get away from him — and Teresa's clothes, supposedly accounted for by the police, were never presented as court evidence. While the details and source of this story are iffy, many online commenters consider "the German" a viable suspect for Teresa Halbach's murder — especially because this account of the incidents was written so long ago. It's intriguing at the very least!

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This is a lot of theory stuff, conjecture, etc. so grains of salt needed. However, if you want to review ALL of the stuff out there, and reported stories (can anyone really confirm this "The German" thing?) you have to review it all. Don't stop with just the "unreleased" evidence as remember, the courts did bar Strang and Buting from proposing anything other than Dassey or Police Misconduct. They could not offer any evidence related to suggesting an alternative suspect.

And this is a reddit list, with links of defense evidence not shown in the doc and/or not allowed in court:

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Like those leg cuffs found at Avery's:

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On the leg irons/handcuffs from Avery's house. They tested those for DNA and found a mixture of DNA from 2 or more people. They confirmed Avery to be a source of one of the matches. Most importantly, they excluded Teresa's DNA as a match.

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That's from the Dassey court transcript. So the people reporting about left out evidence, are in fact, leaving other stuff out.

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They're obviously pro Avery and it's very surprising that more people here are taking everything at face value and believe him to be innocent.

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Yet you have no issues taking the information "not included" at face value, even when it's provided by the same corrupt people that pulled this shite in the first place?

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Isn't it also pretty telling that the Dassey transcript was actually not part of the Avery trial?

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Yup.