re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)

Since 50 Shades of grey lots more people have cuffs, chains, etc.

An unknown SUV shows up in your driveway, so you look out of your window. It's parked with the lights on, motor not running. So you go outside to investigate. No ones in the car... But to make sure you check the back. The back windshield is dirty so you give it a wipe. Well no ones there so you go to open the door to turn off the headlights, but it's locked. You notice the hood is slightly popped so you're in luck and disconnect the battery.

Next day unbeknownst to you someone is dead in the car and its someone you know, causal work friend maybe.

You shot a neighbors cat on your land once.
You have a pipe with a quarter ounce of marijuana.
You have shackles and chains in your house.
You have bleach and gloves and cleaning products.
You have a gun.
You have knifes.
You called her that day to come over 3 times to pick up something for work but she never called back.

Anyone can easily have lots of these come together to paint a picture.
That's why these extra things that the doc didn't include are only to make the general public feel better that they got the right guy.

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and for some reason the jury decided that Avery was guilty anyway

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The biggest problem I have with the whole thing is that the original vote was 7 not guilty's, 3 guilty's, and 2 undecided. They had just finished the case and the information unbiased in their heads and they had that many not guilty's?

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Furthermore, here's an article that says some of the things the documentary conveniently left out:

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the documentary didn't really leave out all of that stuff though

Also that article is incredibly dumb

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— The infamous car key that was found in Avery’s residence had DNA of his sweat on it. So not only are we asked to believe the Manitowoc police department planted the keys in his trailer (and that the neighboring police force was either incompetent or complicit in the deception), but also that somehow the cops had extracted Avery’s perspiration and put it on the key. Another explanation might be that Avery handled the keys when dealing with Halbach, although he denies having ever seen them.

Which bring up additional question: If Avery’s defenders are convinced that DNA from one pubic hair completely exonerates him in the rape case, why does DNA evidence in this case not prove his guilt?

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Read this several times and think about it and you'll see how dumb it is

Well, at least you didn't post the other link that we've seen brought up about 14 times so far. I have yet to see anything that convinces me he did it after the overwhelming information I've seen that tells me he didn't.

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I'm not a geneticist or anything, so this may be a dumb question, but is there even such a thing as "sweat DNA"??

I've literally never heard that phrase until Kratz and the Manitowoc spin machine started trying to refute the allegations against them.

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It's called Touch DNA. He pulled "sweat DNA" out of his arse. Touch DNA is also very easy to transfer.

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It's called Touch DNA. He pulled "sweat DNA" out of his arse.

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I find it quite sad that even after the documentary showed quite clearly that D.A. Kratz was quite willing to mislead the jury there are several here who would take his post-documentary criticisms and "excluded evidence" bits at face value.

The sweat DNA claim is bullshite. The chains and shackles claim is also bullshite when you consider that Mr. Kratz was unwilling, himself, to use the alleged bedroom torture scene inside the courtroom and that not a bit of her skin cells, hair, blood, sweat, or other DNA was found inside. The *67 claim is also total bullshite, considering Avery was a man trying hard to live beyond the infamy he was made to endure by the police department's 18 year frameup, and that it was no secret where Teresa was going to take photographs.

bullshite, bullshite, bullshite. This was a murder trial that should never have taken place the moment the Manitowoc Police Department presented one bit of "evidence".

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Steven was the last known person to be in contact with this girl. No one else.

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This is circular logic.

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Her vehicle was found on his property.

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His massive, multi-acre property upon which other male members of the Avery family also live.

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Her bones were found on his property.

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They were also found in 2 other spots, one not on the property at all.

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Random or not, his blood was found in multiple spots in the vehicle. What other explanation does the defense have to offer for these findings? Nothing credible in my opinion.

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When did he kill her? How? What was his motive?

All Star Criminal Defense team:

Mark O'Mara
Jose Baez sp*
Dean Strang

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very noisy

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So what? How is that an issue? It's an auto salvage yard and the sound of a car being crushed is customary.

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What other explanation does the defense have to offer for these findings? Nothing credible in my opinion.

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The prosecution didn't offer a single piece of evidence that I would find credible.