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re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)
Posted on 1/8/16 at 5:41 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 1/8/16 at 5:41 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I just think it's unclear that crushing a car renders it unidentifiable.
Doesn't matter. The lady who found it was guided by god, not the person who put it there.
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Posted on 1/8/16 at 5:56 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:That's a lot of work.
It involves draining a bunch of fluids
You know what else is a lot of work? Wiping an entire household clean of someone's DNA.
You know what else is a lot of work? Spending life in prison.
quote:Noiser then any other car they probably crush a fairly regular basis?
it's very noisy also.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 6:00 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Noiser then any other car they probably crush a fairly regular basis?
we have no idea of the regularity with which they use the crusher. What if it's only once every 2 months?
Anyway, I think you know which "side" of the case I'm on. I just don't like to overstate anything and give an unnecessary hook to the other "side".
Posted on 1/8/16 at 6:08 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
What if it's only once every 2 months?
What if it is?
Posted on 1/8/16 at 6:17 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:At the risk of leaving evidence in plain site, I think that's regular enough in the middle of nowhere with only family nearby to hear it.
What if it's only once every 2 months?
quote:I get that, and maybe he's guilty and didn't crush the car for those or some other illogical reason.
I'm on. I just don't like to overstate anything and give an unnecessary hook to the other "side".
It's just not a logical decision, especially considering how logical and efficient he was about every other aspect of a meticulous "cover up."
Posted on 1/8/16 at 9:16 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
can we get confirmation of this?
Dean Strang on Hardball with Chris Matthews addresses what they were.
Strang video addresses cuffs/leg irons, Filmmaker video addresses "Sweat"
This post was edited on 1/8/16 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 1/9/16 at 11:58 am to buckeye_vol
quote:
Noiser then any other car they probably crush a fairly regular basis?
Noisier than tying up a screaming woman, raping her, stabbing her, dragging her around to the garage, and then SHOOTING her ELEVEN times?
I've said it before in this thread - I dare say the commotion of crushing a car is a much likelier occurrence at an auto salvage yard than the commotion of tying up a screaming woman, raping her, stabbing her, dragging her around to the garage, and then SHOOTING her ELEVEN times.
But the people would have us believe Steve Avery wasn't afraid of getting caught tying up a screaming woman, raping her, stabbing her, dragging her around to the garage, and SHOOTING her ELEVEN times but crushing her car was something he judged to be "too unusual".
Posted on 1/9/16 at 12:50 pm to BamaChick
Somebody objective from Alabama? Who woulda thunk it?
Posted on 1/9/16 at 2:10 pm to BamaChick
It's a bit prophetic that Brennan asked what inconsistent means. Inconsistent can be defined as the state's case and the Manitowoc County Sheriff's department involvement.
I don't even care whether he did it or not.
DA's need to be held in check before they broadcast to the media tainting the jury pool.
The fact that the Sheriff's dept admitted and agreed to not participate in the investigate YET they were involved in finding all the evidence in the investigation is way to suspect.
He's not ever getting a new trial or getting out, like Dean said I hope he did it.
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I don't even care whether he did it or not.
DA's need to be held in check before they broadcast to the media tainting the jury pool.
The fact that the Sheriff's dept admitted and agreed to not participate in the investigate YET they were involved in finding all the evidence in the investigation is way to suspect.
He's not ever getting a new trial or getting out, like Dean said I hope he did it.
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Posted on 1/9/16 at 7:36 pm to StickD
Fox News running a special on it this evening. Siap. On now.
Posted on 1/9/16 at 11:34 pm to LesGeaux45
So burned through most episodes again, a few thoughts:
1. I have no idea of Avery is guilty or innocent. However, we know that wasn't the point of the documentary. With the things presented, and even with the things that were "left out," there's still reasonable doubt to be had. When I want to think about someone left in jail for 18 years for something you didn't commit, that does have to mess you up somehow. That can describe his lack of concern for Brendan, his possible psychosis or escalation of possibly violent tendencies, and a whole host of other things. But Brendan...
2. While everyone wants to feel sorry for him, and there was clearly coercion involved in his testimonies, there's just something off about the the rest of the Avery clan, particularly Bobby and Scott and, mixed with the constantly fluid responses and stories he offers. I want to believe him, I want to think he's innocent, an that's super sad. However, honestly, if it did happen on the Avery property, and even tangential evidence points to it, Brendan seems to be he pawn in whatever happened. Steven, Scott, etc. And he might have been complicit.
3. The lack of DNA outside of expertly placed locations is so dubious.
4. The most compelling part to me that isn't really chased is Coulborn's call about the plate and 99 Toyota. Is he asking because the context is he is confirming the car he is looking for, or is he looking right at that car? It's mindboggling how they didn't just dive into that.
5. I don't know if I've ever seen a documentary with a more creepy set of people who aren't legit criminals - Kachinsky, Tadaschy, Kratz, Willis, Halbach's brother. Maybe it's guilt or devious knowledge on one hand, or dealing with loss when it comes to Halbach, but man, they all made me cringe.
6. The legal system was eviscerated in this process. And that stinks. Regardless of whether or not Avery did it, there wasn't enough evidence to prove it. And there didn't seem to be an unbiased origin for anyone, the juror surveys were enough to prove that. Just wow.
1. I have no idea of Avery is guilty or innocent. However, we know that wasn't the point of the documentary. With the things presented, and even with the things that were "left out," there's still reasonable doubt to be had. When I want to think about someone left in jail for 18 years for something you didn't commit, that does have to mess you up somehow. That can describe his lack of concern for Brendan, his possible psychosis or escalation of possibly violent tendencies, and a whole host of other things. But Brendan...
2. While everyone wants to feel sorry for him, and there was clearly coercion involved in his testimonies, there's just something off about the the rest of the Avery clan, particularly Bobby and Scott and, mixed with the constantly fluid responses and stories he offers. I want to believe him, I want to think he's innocent, an that's super sad. However, honestly, if it did happen on the Avery property, and even tangential evidence points to it, Brendan seems to be he pawn in whatever happened. Steven, Scott, etc. And he might have been complicit.
3. The lack of DNA outside of expertly placed locations is so dubious.
4. The most compelling part to me that isn't really chased is Coulborn's call about the plate and 99 Toyota. Is he asking because the context is he is confirming the car he is looking for, or is he looking right at that car? It's mindboggling how they didn't just dive into that.
5. I don't know if I've ever seen a documentary with a more creepy set of people who aren't legit criminals - Kachinsky, Tadaschy, Kratz, Willis, Halbach's brother. Maybe it's guilt or devious knowledge on one hand, or dealing with loss when it comes to Halbach, but man, they all made me cringe.
6. The legal system was eviscerated in this process. And that stinks. Regardless of whether or not Avery did it, there wasn't enough evidence to prove it. And there didn't seem to be an unbiased origin for anyone, the juror surveys were enough to prove that. Just wow.
This post was edited on 1/10/16 at 12:40 am
Posted on 1/9/16 at 11:47 pm to Freauxzen
The evidence or "lack thereof" leads to reasonable doubt.
The 18 or whatever searches of the house and suddenly finding the keys - is like the supposed minuscule speck of blood on the Bundy gate to give police PC to climb the gate without a warrant (because in Furman's words - "someone might be bleeding to death in there.") Right.
(Regardless of what anyone thinks about anyone's guilt, police need to follow constitutional law and supposed (because it's rarely followed) police procedure.
Obviously Avery didn't think he was above the law (he spent all those years in prison while innocent) and obviously he knew he was a target by the County and City because he was suing their public servants and that windfall would come out of the public tax coffer.
So you have a guy, who knows he he is a target, was a target in the past and has a legit case to wait on millions coming to him...
And it just so happens that police officers who were the target of that lawsuit - careers about to be over - are the same guys who not only put him away initially but are the guys who announce before any body is found - "do we have Avery in custody yet?"
There is zero motive presented by the police for Avery except he was a degenerate...a degenerate that was found innocent of his real big crime...and yet you had cops say - we still think he's guilty.
None of this makes sense for Avery to have done it - considering what he was expecting for his future life financially and with his GF after being released.
All of this makes sense for the police and city malfeasance considering what they were facing in their botching and railroading in the original case.
The legal system has never been justice or guilty...it's been win or lose...and people who do the same crimes get disparate sentences based on the judge.
And really under the justice system, the poorer or less educated you are...the more easily you get convicted...it's a numbers game...the justice system cares about solving things fast regardless of truth and moving on for career purposes.
The 18 or whatever searches of the house and suddenly finding the keys - is like the supposed minuscule speck of blood on the Bundy gate to give police PC to climb the gate without a warrant (because in Furman's words - "someone might be bleeding to death in there.") Right.
(Regardless of what anyone thinks about anyone's guilt, police need to follow constitutional law and supposed (because it's rarely followed) police procedure.
Obviously Avery didn't think he was above the law (he spent all those years in prison while innocent) and obviously he knew he was a target by the County and City because he was suing their public servants and that windfall would come out of the public tax coffer.
So you have a guy, who knows he he is a target, was a target in the past and has a legit case to wait on millions coming to him...
And it just so happens that police officers who were the target of that lawsuit - careers about to be over - are the same guys who not only put him away initially but are the guys who announce before any body is found - "do we have Avery in custody yet?"
There is zero motive presented by the police for Avery except he was a degenerate...a degenerate that was found innocent of his real big crime...and yet you had cops say - we still think he's guilty.
None of this makes sense for Avery to have done it - considering what he was expecting for his future life financially and with his GF after being released.
All of this makes sense for the police and city malfeasance considering what they were facing in their botching and railroading in the original case.
The legal system has never been justice or guilty...it's been win or lose...and people who do the same crimes get disparate sentences based on the judge.
And really under the justice system, the poorer or less educated you are...the more easily you get convicted...it's a numbers game...the justice system cares about solving things fast regardless of truth and moving on for career purposes.
This post was edited on 1/9/16 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 1/10/16 at 12:38 am to Freauxzen
quote:
Tadaschy
I think Tadych did it.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 12:40 am to BamaChick
quote:
Noisier than tying up a screaming woman, raping her, stabbing her, dragging her around to the garage, and then SHOOTING her ELEVEN times?
I take it as a given that that didn't happen.
quote:
I've said it before in this thread - I dare say the commotion of crushing a car is a much likelier occurrence at an auto salvage yard than the commotion of tying up a screaming woman, raping her, stabbing her, dragging her around to the garage, and then SHOOTING her ELEVEN times.
But the people would have us believe Steve Avery wasn't afraid of getting caught tying up a screaming woman, raping her, stabbing her, dragging her around to the garage, and SHOOTING her ELEVEN times but crushing her car was something he judged to be "too unusual".
There's a middle ground. He could have quietly killed her. I know the prosecution didn't try to say that - I'm saying it.
All I'm really saying on this one tiny point is that I don't think we have enough info about the car crusher to just say "he would have just crushed the car". Maybe. I dunno. And neither does anyone else on here.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:01 am to Freauxzen
quote:
6. The legal system was eviscerated in this process. And that stinks. Regardless of whether or not Avery did it, there wasn't enough evidence to prove it.
Of all the people in the documentary, good or bad, I was most disappointed in the jury... and it was the documentary's most glaring weakness that more didn't get interviewed.
I am most disappointed in them because whether or not the evidence was sufficient was really beside the point. This was a case that should never have gone to trial, and the jury should have made that statement. The biggest single fact of this case was that the Manitowoc Police Department had a vested interest in convicting Avery and proved by their actions and inactions that they had an axe to grind.... thus every bit of "evidence" obtained by their hands should have been inadmissable... and that was almost all of it.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:14 am to Rex
Has it been confirmed anywhere that one of the jurors was actually the father of someone in the sheriff/police dept?
I have seen all kinds of internet postings, but nothing confirmed.
To me, that type of person can lead a jury astray by being a bully.
I have seen all kinds of internet postings, but nothing confirmed.
To me, that type of person can lead a jury astray by being a bully.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:21 am to tccdc
As posted previously on the poli board:
These kind of shenanigans have been going on in Jefferson Parish as long as there has been a Jefferson Parish. Some of the most corrupt men in Louisiana have come out of the Jefferson Parish DA’s office. However instead of going to prison they go on to become judges and state senators.
These kind of shenanigans have been going on in Jefferson Parish as long as there has been a Jefferson Parish. Some of the most corrupt men in Louisiana have come out of the Jefferson Parish DA’s office. However instead of going to prison they go on to become judges and state senators.
This post was edited on 1/10/16 at 9:28 am
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:23 am to Rex
quote:
Of all the people in the documentary, good or bad, I was most disappointed in the jury... and it was the documentary's most glaring weakness that more didn't get interviewed.
I am most disappointed in them because whether or not the evidence was sufficient was really beside the point. This was a case that should never have gone to trial, and the jury should have made that statement. The biggest single fact of this case was that the Manitowoc Police Department had a vested interest in convicting Avery and proved by their actions and inactions that they had an axe to grind.... thus every bit of "evidence" obtained by their hands should have been inadmissable... and that was almost all of it.
Nah. The judges are the most disappointing. They are supposed to know better.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 12:41 pm to Big Scrub TX
I hope ken Kratz dies very soon in a super violent bloody way
Posted on 1/10/16 at 1:18 pm to gatortrav88
Manitowoc citizens are pissed. 
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Personally, the way they have been speaking about this documentary confirms the internal biases they have in place that made Steven Avery such a target. I would never live in a close-minded intolerant city like Manitowoc and they deserve EVERY bit of criticism thrown their way because al they've done is point fingers, and at no point have any of them stopped to evaluate themselves. Obviously they're all in bed with one another.
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Personally, the way they have been speaking about this documentary confirms the internal biases they have in place that made Steven Avery such a target. I would never live in a close-minded intolerant city like Manitowoc and they deserve EVERY bit of criticism thrown their way because al they've done is point fingers, and at no point have any of them stopped to evaluate themselves. Obviously they're all in bed with one another.
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