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re: National Review: How creativity died in Hollywood
Posted on 8/24/26 at 7:19 am to UFFan
Posted on 8/24/26 at 7:19 am to UFFan
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But part of it is because theaters near me are all some luxury theaters that cost something like $40 or $50 a ticket, plus something like $15-$20 for concessions. And now you can just see the same movie on Netflix no more than 3 months later, for no price other than the price that you’re already paying for your Netflix account.
Well, this isn’t true.
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Posted on 8/24/26 at 8:09 am to prplhze2000
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These were all publicly traded companies back in the 80s and 90s.
And people regularly shite on 80s filmmaking because the auteur era of the 70s crashed and burned by the start of the 80s with films like Heaven’s Gate, New York New York, and One From The Heart.
A lot of this shite comes in cycles where you have corporate schlock give way to more original stuff and then heading back to schlock once the people who made the original stuff have a high profile failure or two.
Posted on 8/24/26 at 8:28 am to prplhze2000
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Perfect example of this is House of Dragon.
The writing was def shitty but it doesn't fit the fast and cheap model. Its expensive and slow and still sucks.
Posted on 8/24/26 at 8:32 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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The writing was def shitty but it doesn't fit the fast and cheap model. Its expensive and slow and still sucks.
The problem isn’t the lack of source material like the final seasons of GOT either… GRRM’s work on that one has the complete story arc and enough ambiguity that they wouldn’t be completely boxed in, yet the fricked it up anyway.
Posted on 8/24/26 at 8:44 am to prplhze2000
Keep going to see the superhero and dune pap. Camp out for them. Put those clever Star Wars stickers on your van.
Posted on 8/24/26 at 8:46 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Well, Discovery made them cut the last two episodes of season 2 to save money so yeah, they did go a cheaper route.
Just think how bad season 3 would have been without those first two shows.
Actually HOD jibes perfectly with the article. The article discussed bad scriptwriting and lazy plots. Fits HOD to a T.
They went the girl power route (indoctrination mentioned in article) and then watered down the two women so much (because they didn't want to show the girls as bad people) they wound up pleasing no one. They forgot Cersei was hated because she was so evil BUT she was also one of the most memorable characters on the show.
Just think how bad season 3 would have been without those first two shows.
Actually HOD jibes perfectly with the article. The article discussed bad scriptwriting and lazy plots. Fits HOD to a T.
They went the girl power route (indoctrination mentioned in article) and then watered down the two women so much (because they didn't want to show the girls as bad people) they wound up pleasing no one. They forgot Cersei was hated because she was so evil BUT she was also one of the most memorable characters on the show.
Posted on 8/24/26 at 8:48 am to prplhze2000
They also cut costs by not lighting any of the scenes with more than a candle 100 yards away.
Posted on 8/24/26 at 9:00 am to prplhze2000
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Few want to admit it, probably because this explanation is the least complimentary to an industry that prizes its veneer of artistry, but the chief reason modern entertainment writing has degraded is that the audience’s standards have degraded. Why should Hollywood make the effort to produce high-quality work with high-quality writing when audiences are willing to pay for fast and cheap?
This is why we should not tolerate CONSOOMERS.
Posted on 8/24/26 at 10:23 am to prplhze2000
Damn. It's as if I wrote this article.
Looking at you, Polly-O string cheese.
quote:This is the biggest problem. It's like when some corporation buys your favorite food brand and mass produces it, turning it into crap. It ends up being more profitable because they use tried and true formulas to make it that way. But it's crap and over time, it completely collapses.
Part of the problem is the “increased corporate control of Hollywood,” he tells me, unlike the days when “real creatives such as executives Michael Eisner and Barry Diller, and brilliant creatives like George Lucas and Steven Spielberg,” ran the show. There are still pockets of creatives, Zucker adds, “but mostly the business has been taken over by mediocre little people.”
Looking at you, Polly-O string cheese.
Posted on 8/24/26 at 10:24 am to prplhze2000
The quoted part of the article touches on part of the issue that leads to the downstream effects yall are describing with the GOT spinoff.
There are simply just fewer writers working. And overall doing less work.
Used to be innumerable network sitcoms and procedurals with full writers rooms banging out 26 episodes a year. There were just more people doing the work so there was more experience born out of that. Those are the writers rooms that gave us the prestige TV boom. (X Files specifically had a ridiculous writers room, based on later series they created)
And the prestige TV boom gave rise to the shorter seasons and not-quite-annual release schedule.
And the streamers learned the wrong lessons. They took all the bad elements, without giving us any of the good that made people put up with the bad. And it's led to just fewer writers overall and they also have less experience. That makes it harder to do things well.
Apple TV seems to be doing a good job of fighting against the overall degradation of quality, but they're the only streamer with any kind of consistency in that regard.
There are simply just fewer writers working. And overall doing less work.
Used to be innumerable network sitcoms and procedurals with full writers rooms banging out 26 episodes a year. There were just more people doing the work so there was more experience born out of that. Those are the writers rooms that gave us the prestige TV boom. (X Files specifically had a ridiculous writers room, based on later series they created)
And the prestige TV boom gave rise to the shorter seasons and not-quite-annual release schedule.
And the streamers learned the wrong lessons. They took all the bad elements, without giving us any of the good that made people put up with the bad. And it's led to just fewer writers overall and they also have less experience. That makes it harder to do things well.
Apple TV seems to be doing a good job of fighting against the overall degradation of quality, but they're the only streamer with any kind of consistency in that regard.
Posted on 8/24/26 at 10:50 am to prplhze2000
The best the "creatives" has these days is race-swapping existing characters from known stories.
Posted on 8/25/26 at 8:53 am to ProjectP2294
Don't forget the affirmations action quotas
Posted on 8/25/26 at 11:47 am to ProjectP2294
Reading scripts is hard period. But because of AI the gatekeepers now have to process even more scripts. so its really hard to get noticed. Its why the blacklist has taken off so much.
Seems like the movie business is like Radio Shows in the 20's right now. Perhaps the play is to focus on more "indy" type stuff on youtube and the like and then pray someone notices. That what happened with Cobra Kai.
Seems like the movie business is like Radio Shows in the 20's right now. Perhaps the play is to focus on more "indy" type stuff on youtube and the like and then pray someone notices. That what happened with Cobra Kai.
Posted on 8/25/26 at 12:10 pm to prplhze2000
We're in a bit of an in between period as theaters die off. Theres a wealth of content being made by youtube creators like the guy that made obsession and the dude that made backrooms.
Thats the future. Hollywood is the past.
Thats the future. Hollywood is the past.
Posted on 8/25/26 at 12:12 pm to ProjectP2294
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Apple TV seems to be doing a good job of fighting against the overall degradation of quality, but they're the only streamer with any kind of consistency in that regard.
They're actually losing money on their productions as well. But are willing to take the cut because of overall how much Apple makes as a company (I think AppleTV is the only subscription service they have that doesn't make a profit) and to encourage some of the shows/writing that we're seeing in their content.
Which I think brings up a good point. In the end, they get more eyes on their services through AppleTV subscriptions but they're willing to take the short term loss. A lot of production companies are not willing to do so (or just simply can't financially).
IMO that has a much bigger impact on what is being produced than a lot of the other discussed reasons.
This post was edited on 8/25/26 at 12:14 pm
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