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Posted on 10/15/21 at 8:45 pm to SLafourche07
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Like the priest came to the realization that this wasn’t going how he envisioned it, but I’m not sure in his mind if he actually realized that he was duped or if he’s just thinking “God works in mysterious ways.”
Considering he rips off his collar and throws it in the water, I think it was very clear he realized he was duped.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 2:07 pm to RLDSC FAN
I enjoyed watching and glad I saw it through to the end. Long monologues were hit or miss I felt like. Wish it would have ended differently, but, again, overall I am glad I watched.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:39 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Then the twist coming out that it's a damn vampire trying to take over the world ruined it for me.
I don’t understand why people keep calling this a twist. You, as the viewer, are meant to IMMEDIATELY recognize the “Angel” as a vampire. This story occurs in a universe where vampire lore doesn’t exist, so the priest (and later everyone else) doesn’t realize what’s going on. You are meant to be “in on it” though.
Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:23 pm to Roger Klarvin
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This story occurs in a universe where vampire lore doesn’t exist, so the priest (and later everyone else) doesn’t realize what’s going on. You are meant to be “in on it” though.
This is incorrect as Hester Carries pointed out.
There is a conversation between Dr. Gunning and Erin in which the doctor suggests what she believes to be a kernel of scientific truth at the heart of "those myths." She then goes on to give a possible scientific explanation for two of the most commonly cited characteristics of vampires: the thirst for blood and sensitivity to light. She doesn't use the word "vampire" but there can only be one myth that she's referring to here. We're brought in mid-conversation because the series wants us to know that while these people would in fact be aware of vampire mythology, it wants an actual encounter with them to be affixed to an entirely different set of beliefs systems. There are two perfectly understandable reasons why this is the goal.
One is to avoid a hackneyed story in which vampires are ultimately met by those of a belief system in which the existence of vampires is already accepted and understood as something more than a work of fiction. Whether it's Bram Stoker's Van Helsing, Anne Rice's Talamasca or the Vampire Hunters in the Lost Boys, we are all accustomed to the "true-believer" characters who immediately employ everything that they "know" about vampires in order to defeat them.
The second reason is that this isn't at all the most realistic way these things would play out. Billions of people are sufficiently religious to believe in the resurrection of holy figures, appearance of angels and demons or the transfiguration of one substance into another. At least millions of others are always going to apply reason and science to any phenomenon that immediately beggars belief. OTOH, very few people actually believe that vampires are anything more than a work of fiction and go around trying to hunt them down. It is therefore perfectly reasonable to think that it is more likely that people would draw upon their religious or scientific beliefs were they to actually encounter something that behaves like a vampire than to draw upon actual vampire lore. Better then to simply acknowledge their awareness of it only implicitly.
This post was edited on 10/20/21 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 10/21/21 at 12:22 am to Jimbeaux
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attack on religiosity, Christianity, or Catholicism specifically
I think it was less of an attack and more of a criticism.
**SPOILERS**
To me, Erin’s monologue at the end about personhood/life being a dream and the human concept of God being essentially a metaphor for the cosmos does hint to this being mostly an atheist perspective on existence (though Riley’s death being punctuated by him taking off with the girl he killed maybe leaves it open to interpretation).
BUT I do think throughout the show Flanagan is sympathetic and emphasizes that he understands the chief goals of religion, namely to provide meaning/purpose for individuals and an explanation for the suffering that goes hand-in-hand with existence. He makes it clear, as others have said, that religion is neither good nor bad - it depends on how it is used.
In this tale, the focal point is the consequences of wielding it selfishly and manipulatively.
This post was edited on 10/21/21 at 12:41 am
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:02 pm to Norbert
This was another 10/10 series from Mike MF Flanagan. Dude can do no wrong. His directing was top notch, as was his writing and editing. The score by the Newton Bros is one of the best ever.
Lol at the “durrr vampires boooo” crowd in this thread. Grow up
Lol at the “durrr vampires boooo” crowd in this thread. Grow up
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:06 pm to ipodking
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Lol at the “durrr vampires boooo” crowd in this thread. Grow up
As opposed to “durrr vampires yeaaa”.
You have an opinion, it’s as valid as every other opinion.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:41 pm to RLDSC FAN
On episode 3. Not reading the thread for fear of spoilers.
Has just enough of a hook to keep you.
But pet peeve: stop aging all these actors with makeup. JUST HIRE HOLDER ACTORS. Elliot from ET ain't fooling anyone with his grey hair, the aging momma of the lesbian doctor looks like she's twenty something in 80 year old make up, the old monseigneur is another young man in old man make up. It all looks so stupid and that's an easy fix.
I like the new preacher and the ex con so far. But there's a lot of "regular TV" (eg, not HBO) acting on this show. Which is to say, bad acting.
Edit: now I see why they have younger people playing older people.
Has just enough of a hook to keep you.
But pet peeve: stop aging all these actors with makeup. JUST HIRE HOLDER ACTORS. Elliot from ET ain't fooling anyone with his grey hair, the aging momma of the lesbian doctor looks like she's twenty something in 80 year old make up, the old monseigneur is another young man in old man make up. It all looks so stupid and that's an easy fix.
I like the new preacher and the ex con so far. But there's a lot of "regular TV" (eg, not HBO) acting on this show. Which is to say, bad acting.
Edit: now I see why they have younger people playing older people.
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 10/29/21 at 9:13 am to Grievous Angel
Just binged this the last two nights.
I thought the acting, dialogue (didn't mind the monologues, and actually enjoyed most of them), camera work, and score were all 10/10. Thought the story was very meh, and the pace was extremely too slow. Could probably have done this in a 2-2.5 hour movie and had it be a lot better.
As mentioned earlier, I wish we had more back story on the origins/motives of the monster and an explanation of how the priest was able to go in the sun for so long before it finally started hurting him.
Was disappointed it was just a vampire/zombie movie in the end.
I thought the acting, dialogue (didn't mind the monologues, and actually enjoyed most of them), camera work, and score were all 10/10. Thought the story was very meh, and the pace was extremely too slow. Could probably have done this in a 2-2.5 hour movie and had it be a lot better.
As mentioned earlier, I wish we had more back story on the origins/motives of the monster and an explanation of how the priest was able to go in the sun for so long before it finally started hurting him.
Was disappointed it was just a vampire/zombie movie in the end.
Posted on 10/29/21 at 9:27 am to lionward2014
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As mentioned earlier, I wish we had more back story on the origins/motives of the monster and an explanation of how the priest was able to go in the sun for so long before it finally started hurting him.
Was disappointed it was just a vampire/zombie movie in the end.
It really wasn't a vampie/zombie movie, though. Unless we are being very literal here. But the vampire is just a catalyst for this story about faith, religion, the meaning of life.
The origins and motives of the monster are irrelevant. It is simply a vampire that needs to feed to survive. The monster is important because of how others, namely the priest, react to the monster and interpret what the monster is. His blind faith leads him to let the monster lay waste to his town.
The priest was able to go into the sun because he hadn't died yet. The blood was inside him, which made him younger. Same as the blood inside the handicapped girl and the pregnant woman transformed them into their peak physical condition. But until you die, you don't become a full vampire who cannot be in the sun. After the priest dies and comes back to life, that is when he is now a full vampire who cannot be in the sun.
Posted on 10/29/21 at 9:38 am to RLDSC FAN
The first two seasons were so much better
Posted on 10/29/21 at 9:39 am to sBrodie
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-Why could the priest go seemingly months in the sunlight long after he had been transformed by the "angel" in the cave in the holy land?
He wasn't a full vampire until he died. The blood being in his and others symptoms effected their body (transformed them), but until they die they are not full vampires.
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Why did he need to bring Nosferatu with him in a trunk to save the old lady? If he was a vamp, couldn't he do it himself?
I don't think his blood could do that. Maybe it was because he wasn't a vampire or not yet. I am not sure. But the "angel" blood is what he gave to the town people.
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Why didn't the humans just wait until daylight and burn the building down with them all inside? and why were they dousing it with gas right in front of them lol.
Well the humans would have had to survive until daylight and they were actively being hunted on a small island. It isn't like they had time to prepare a well thought out plan, this happened very suddenly.
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Why couldn't they find a piece of tin, some wood, a coat, the shade of a tree, dig a hole, etc. to hide from direct sunlight. Hard to believe that every single piece of material was on fire (and it was already shown that the fire would not kill them...they would just heal... so they could have dismantled some building materials)
Likewise, they didn't have time to prepare a plan (other than the leaders). They were new vampires with uncontrollable bloodlust.
The leaders who would have had more of a plan were Bev and the priest. Bev selfishly wanted the power to control the people and choose who was "worthy" and punish those who had not been to church (non-vampires) or backed out. So she wanted to burn the town so that the only refuge was under her control.
The priest realized his mistake and burned the church to self sacrifice and end it.
By the time this all happened, there was like an hour or two till daylight. They couldn't just throw a shelter together with some burning materials.
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-what was with the rat poison during the last communion? How were they dying and waking up without being bit?
They had the vampire blood in their bodies through communions and being at the chuch regularly. Just needed death to transform into vampires, hence the rat poison.
Posted on 10/29/21 at 9:50 am to Tigerfan56
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The priest was able to go into the sun because he hadn't died yet. The blood was inside him, which made him younger. Same as the blood inside the handicapped girl and the pregnant woman transformed them into their peak physical condition. But until you die, you don't become a full vampire who cannot be in the sun. After the priest dies and comes back to life, that is when he is now a full vampire who cannot be in the sun.
Did he not die in the cave? All of the other people the vampire attacked died after being attacked. That explanation doesn't seem to be accurate.
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The origins and motives of the monster are irrelevant. It is simply a vampire that needs to feed to survive. The monster is important because of how others, namely the priest, react to the monster and interpret what the monster is. His blind faith leads him to let the monster lay waste to his town.
I agree that part of it is a critique of blind faith, but the backstory of the monster still leaves me intrigued and don't think it's as simple as that.
On one hand you see it acting on straight impulse, but on the other it clearly is sentient enough to devise a plan to get smuggled to the island and it participated in the midnight mass and didn't immediately start killing everyone. It's also hanging out in a cave in the middle of the desert, which doesn't seem to be a great strategy for something that needs human blood to survive.
Posted on 10/29/21 at 9:54 am to lionward2014
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lionward2014
You, like a few others in this thread, seem to have some comprehension issues and have misunderstood a lot of this show.
Posted on 10/29/21 at 10:50 am to MusclesofBrussels
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You, like a few others in this thread, seem to have some comprehension issues and have misunderstood a lot of this show.
Enlighten me ye olde wise one.
Posted on 10/29/21 at 12:31 pm to lionward2014
This sounds like a live action version of an anime called Shiki.
Really good show.
Is this the same general story?
Really good show.
Is this the same general story?
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The story takes place in particularly hot summer in 1994, in a small quiet Japanese village called Sotoba. A series of mysterious deaths begin to spread in the village, at the same time when a strange family moves into the long-abandoned Kanemasa mansion on top of a hill. Megumi Shimizu, a young girl who wanted to leave the village and move to the city, pays them a visit never to return. She is later found lying in the forest and tragically dies. Doctor Toshio Ozaki, director of Sotoba's only hospital, initially suspects an epidemic; however, as investigations continue and the deaths begin to pile up, he learns—and becomes convinced—that they are the work of the "shiki", vampire-like creatures, plaguing the village. A young teenager named Natsuno Yuuki, who hates living in the village, begins to be pursued and becomes surrounded by death.
Posted on 10/29/21 at 12:52 pm to lionward2014
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Did he not die in the cave? All of the other people the vampire attacked died after being attacked. That explanation doesn't seem to be accurate.
No, he didn't die until he was in his house with the Mayor and everyone else, then was resurrected.
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It's also hanging out in a cave in the middle of the desert, which doesn't seem to be a great strategy for something that needs human blood to survive.
During his confession where we learn all of this, he says something about sand storms uncovering ancient ruins. I interpreted it as the monster was trapped for centuries in these old ruins, not that he was just hanging out there.
Posted on 10/29/21 at 2:05 pm to Indigold
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No, he didn't die until he was in his house with the Mayor and everyone else, then was resurrected.
I guess that's a fair interpretation. Guess it covers that plot hole but then opens up a new one with the fact that the other few humans we see the monster attack all die from the attack.
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During his confession where we learn all of this, he says something about sand storms uncovering ancient ruins. I interpreted it as the monster was trapped for centuries in these old ruins, not that he was just hanging out there.
Fair as well, but still a pretty lame explanation.
Also another point that confuses me, the monster is in the rec center filling up bottles with his blood, and seemingly going along with turning everyone into vampires. What is the reason for that? Seems like a terrible way to keep your food supply around. That's what makes me think it's closer to a demon than a regular vampire.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:48 pm to lionward2014
This show absolutely sucked. First off, the show had an anti-Christian message. It's not lost on me that the only seemingly "sane" people in the town are the Muslim, the doctor/scientist, and the athiest. Besides that, the story itself just wasn't that entertaining. Everybody in the show was insufferable. The only person in the entire show who was tolerable was the doctor lady.
The show tries to portray itself as a smart and deep critique of religion (specifically Christianity), but it's really just the same old tired nonsense done in a different way.
The show tries to portray itself as a smart and deep critique of religion (specifically Christianity), but it's really just the same old tired nonsense done in a different way.
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