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re: Mad Men Series Finale - "Person to Person"
Posted on 5/18/15 at 9:34 am to STLhog
Posted on 5/18/15 at 9:34 am to STLhog
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Sure Don has made some serious mistakes and broken his vows, but as Peggy said "what has he done that is so bad"? He was honest and generous in everything besides his dealings with woman.
awful husband and crap father are not the best traits to have, Don has both in spades. I agree he went back to McCann to do the Ad if only because he wasn't selfish enough to ditch his kids completely.
If he stays out in cali he is complete prick that left everyone that needed him
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Posted on 5/18/15 at 9:36 am to STLhog
I wasn't sure how I felt about the finale last night. But after thinking about it today, I liked it.
Don absolutely made the ad. I was on the fence last night because I didn't know that McCann was a real firm and then I learned that they actually made the ad IRL.
Also, the mini-montage at the end showed a calendar on Joan's wall showing it was 1970 and the Coke ad debuted in '71. I think Don stayed at the commune for a little while, found his happiness/came up with the idea, and then went back to NY and pitched it to McCann to get them to take him back.
Don absolutely made the ad. I was on the fence last night because I didn't know that McCann was a real firm and then I learned that they actually made the ad IRL.
Also, the mini-montage at the end showed a calendar on Joan's wall showing it was 1970 and the Coke ad debuted in '71. I think Don stayed at the commune for a little while, found his happiness/came up with the idea, and then went back to NY and pitched it to McCann to get them to take him back.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 9:40 am to STLhog
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I don't think Don did the ad. He made many references to being retired in the last episode unless he was just trying to convince himself that he was actually retiring.
I think that Weiner set up the ending so that you could have this ending. Maybe Don stayed in California and found peace.
Or maybe he went back and made the ad.
I think he's giving people a great choice.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 9:41 am to Dire Wolf
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awful husband and crap father are not the best traits to have, Don has both in spades
Yep, but I think to her point and Don final realization with Leonard's speech is that he is not alone in any of that. A lot of this season was people revealing stuff to Don that is as bad as anything he has done. He definitely isn't a great person, but neither is anybody else
This post was edited on 5/18/15 at 9:41 am
Posted on 5/18/15 at 9:41 am to LSU alum wannabe
Three of the Best Draper Scenes
The first scene is about happiness. He a total con man in season one. He doesn't TRULY learn what he says in this pitch about true happiness until the final scene of the series.
The second scene about the Kodak Carousel is incredible when viewed from the lens of the completed series and how everything ended. Try Watching that pitch and posting your thoughts.
The first scene is about happiness. He a total con man in season one. He doesn't TRULY learn what he says in this pitch about true happiness until the final scene of the series.
The second scene about the Kodak Carousel is incredible when viewed from the lens of the completed series and how everything ended. Try Watching that pitch and posting your thoughts.
This post was edited on 5/18/15 at 9:43 am
Posted on 5/18/15 at 9:53 am to Fewer Kilometers
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I think that Weiner set up the ending so that you could have this ending. Maybe Don stayed in California and found peace. Or maybe he went back and made the ad.
It's hard to say. They had him showing off his other skills and finding a new kind of hobby in his mechanical skills and ability to fix things. He said over and over he was retired. He was on a never ending search for happiness. He was back in Dick mode for the majority of the last episode and not Don. Then they plug that in the ending.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 9:58 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Yep, but I think to her point and Don final realization with Leonard's speech is that he is not alone in any of that. A lot of this season was people revealing stuff to Don that is as bad as anything he has done. He definitely isn't a great person, but neither is anybody else
Which is why I want to believe he went back. Betty has no right to tell him he can't be there (at some level) for his kids. His family might not choose him but at least he can be there. If he stays in cali he just another terrible hippie hiding from the real world. Its like this show was an excuse for baby boomers by saying their parents were worse. Don, Peggy, Roger, Roger's daughter, ect all gave up on their kids.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 9:59 am to Dire Wolf
I'm not so sure about the whole Don vs Dick thing?
why does he have to be Don to do the ad?
I think he finally let go of Don and made the best ad of all time.
I think all of his best work came when pulling off the Don mask and being himself, Dick. (other than the Hershey frick up)
why does he have to be Don to do the ad?
I think he finally let go of Don and made the best ad of all time.
I think all of his best work came when pulling off the Don mask and being himself, Dick. (other than the Hershey frick up)
This post was edited on 5/18/15 at 10:23 am
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:06 am to Prettyboy Floyd
I think you missed the point. For all of the show Dick Whitman felt unworthy of love and specifically unworthy of Don's name. He felt like he had taken a good man's name and defamed it. He felt that no one, or at least no one close to him, truly loved him for who he was...a rejected poor orphan raised in a whorehouse.
He grew into a man after the war and, as Don Draper, continued to seek after love, to get people to finally love him. The problem was, however, he had never known love. He only knew the APPEARANCE of love and what it felt like to long for EVERYTHING in life.
That's why he killed it as a AD man. He was an expert on appearances and understanding that deep desire people have for comfort...for acceptance. He WAS the person he was pitching to the entire series and that was slowly revealed to us (and explicitly through Leonard).
As Don lost everything he learned who he truly was...he WAS a man who was loved as Dick and as Don, and he threw it all away and defamed TWO lives. Leonard, again, was really Don and Dick and every product Don has or would ever pitch.
Dick WAS the product left in the fridge saying CHOOSE ME. Don was the one who was CHOSEN yet discarded. He then slowly realized he had all the answers in all his pitches throughout the show. He had to define himself and accept himself. He had learned to recognize love through loss.
That's when Dick and Don become one on the beach. He realizes happiness IS everywhere...love is everywhere with anyone...even in something as simple as a coca cola. We all just have to see it.
...so Don makes us all see it by creating the best ad ever made.
He grew into a man after the war and, as Don Draper, continued to seek after love, to get people to finally love him. The problem was, however, he had never known love. He only knew the APPEARANCE of love and what it felt like to long for EVERYTHING in life.
That's why he killed it as a AD man. He was an expert on appearances and understanding that deep desire people have for comfort...for acceptance. He WAS the person he was pitching to the entire series and that was slowly revealed to us (and explicitly through Leonard).
As Don lost everything he learned who he truly was...he WAS a man who was loved as Dick and as Don, and he threw it all away and defamed TWO lives. Leonard, again, was really Don and Dick and every product Don has or would ever pitch.
Dick WAS the product left in the fridge saying CHOOSE ME. Don was the one who was CHOSEN yet discarded. He then slowly realized he had all the answers in all his pitches throughout the show. He had to define himself and accept himself. He had learned to recognize love through loss.
That's when Dick and Don become one on the beach. He realizes happiness IS everywhere...love is everywhere with anyone...even in something as simple as a coca cola. We all just have to see it.
...so Don makes us all see it by creating the best ad ever made.
This post was edited on 5/18/15 at 10:10 am
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:08 am to STLhog
I see it as the other way around. I think if he had stayed in Cali, he would have stayed as Dick. I think going back, he finally let go of all of the baggage that Dick had, and finally became the Don Draper that was worthy of the name.
Doesn't really matter though. I love endings like this because it allows the viewer to end things how they want it to end, within some boundaries.
Doesn't really matter though. I love endings like this because it allows the viewer to end things how they want it to end, within some boundaries.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:12 am to STLhog
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The real question is, why the hell show the ad if it wasn't him?
Literally no reason to not show it. Wayyy too many references to (in the McCann guys whispering voice) "Coca-Cooollaaa".
He's a survivor, he always comes back.
Agreed. In the previous episode, Don FIXED A GODDAM COCA COLA MACHINE, for gosh sake.
Prior to segueing to the Coke commercial, Don and his meditation class were on a hilltop. The actual title of the famed Coke piece?
"Hilltop".
OF COURSE Don came up with the idea for the commercial.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:16 am to beatbammer
Bingo. There were a couple of instances this season that coke "helped" Don help someone or help himself.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:20 am to theunknownknight
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I think you missed the point. For all of the show Dick Whitman felt unworthy of love and specifically unworthy of Don's name. He felt like he had taken a good man's name and defamed it. He felt that no one, or at least no one close to him, truly loved him for who he was...a rejected poor orphan raised in a whorehouse.
He grew into a man after the war and, as Don Draper, continued to seek after love, to get people to finally love him. The problem was, however, he had never known love. He only knew the APPEARANCE of love and what it felt like to long for EVERYTHING in life.
That's why he killed it as a AD man. He was an expert on appearances and understanding that deep desire people have for comfort...for acceptance. He WAS the person he was pitching to the entire series and that was slowly revealed to us (and explicitly through Leonard).
As Don lost everything he learned who he truly was...he WAS a man who was loved as Dick and as Don, and he threw it all away and defamed TWO lives. Leonard, again, was really Don and Dick and every product Don has or would ever pitch.
Dick WAS the product left in the fridge saying CHOOSE ME. Don was the one who was CHOSEN yet discarded. He then slowly realized he had all the answers in all his pitches throughout the show. He had to define himself and accept himself. He had learned to recognize love through loss.
That's when Dick and Don become one on the beach. He realizes happiness IS everywhere...love is everywhere with anyone...even in something as simple as a coca cola. We all just have to see it.
...so Don makes us all see it by creating the best ad ever made.
Excellent work. Hard to argue.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:26 am to STLhog
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I'm not so sure about the whole Don vs Dick thing?
why does he have to be Don to do the ad?
I think he finally let go of Don and made the best ad of all time.
I think all of his best work when pulling off the Don mask and being himself, Dick.
Wonderful discussions we're having in this thread.
I'm going to have to disagree with you above though. The above is what we kind of EXPECTED, but I think the reverse is what actually happened.
Dick Whitman couldn't be an ad man, much less create the most iconic tag-line in advertising history. For THAT to happen, Don had to fully become DON DRAPER and finally shed himself of the dead weight of Dick Whitman and the daily fear of Dick Whitman being discovered.
He finally had to fully embrace 100% the skin he preferred living in.
We all thought he was shedding the Don Draper skin on his trek across the country. What he ended up discovering ("actualizing") was that he WAS Don Draper.
IMO.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:28 am to Big Scrub TX
Great stuff above.
I think the Don vs Dick thing pretty much disappeared. He is who he is and his name doesn't matter one way or the other, all that matters is he accepts himself what he is.
I was extremely happy with how they tied the show up.
I don't think Megan deserved to be tied up, she was one part of the show I didn't like. Underwhelming actress with an extremely underwhelming story line.
Also Harry Crane sucks a fat dick. Hate that douchebag.
I think the Don vs Dick thing pretty much disappeared. He is who he is and his name doesn't matter one way or the other, all that matters is he accepts himself what he is.
I was extremely happy with how they tied the show up.
I don't think Megan deserved to be tied up, she was one part of the show I didn't like. Underwhelming actress with an extremely underwhelming story line.
Also Harry Crane sucks a fat dick. Hate that douchebag.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:28 am to beatbammer
I don't care if he's Don or Dick, but McCann Erickson bought his company so that they could own Don Draper, not Dick Whitman.
I think that if Don returned to NY and said, "I now go by Dick Whitman", they'd have no use for him.
I think that if Don returned to NY and said, "I now go by Dick Whitman", they'd have no use for him.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:29 am to beatbammer
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Wonderful discussions we're having in this thread.
I'm going to have to disagree with you above though. The above is what we kind of EXPECTED, but I think the reverse is what actually happened.
Dick Whitman couldn't be an ad man, much less create the most iconic tag-line in advertising history. For THAT to happen, Don had to fully become DON DRAPER and finally shed himself of the dead weight of Dick Whitman and the daily fear of Dick Whitman being discovered.
He finally had to fully embrace 100% the skin he preferred living in.
We all thought he was shedding the Don Draper skin on his trek across the country. What he ended up discovering ("actualizing") was that he WAS Don Draper.
IMO.
Good point. I more or less agree with you, I just didn't write it out that well.
He ditched the Don vs Dick BS and just became HIM. One man.
I don't think the name matters, he embraces his past while looking into the future and no longer living "as if there is not tomorrow, because there isn't one".
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:29 am to beatbammer
That's how I see it too. He finally realized that as Don, he haseverything he is looking for. He has friends, people that care about him, and happiness. The baggage of Dick constantly brought everything down.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:36 am to STLhog
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don't think Megan deserved to be tied up, she was one part of the show I didn't like. Underwhelming actress with an extremely underwhelming story line.
I think the montage on the plane did tie her up.
Drinking, smoking, looking lost and frazzled. Heading back to California. Strikes me as some girl who LA and the 70's would have ate up and spit out.
Or. Maybe Roger being her step dad gives her another rich man to take care of her?
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:37 am to LSU alum wannabe
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I think the montage on the plane did tie her up.
Drinking, smoking, looking lost and frazzled. Heading back to California. Strikes me as some girl who LA and the 70's would have ate up and spit out.
Or. Maybe Roger being her step dad gives her another rich man to take care of her?
Yea, I guess I can see that. I just thought she was a crappy character, but I guess that was sort of the point...
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