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re: LOST "The End" S6.E17&18

Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:09 pm to
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:09 pm to
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I think it could be Jack's perspective, but I think they all go back to the "most important time of their life" and that was it for all of them. Also, they were all coming to their realization and "letting go", so it was important for all of them. And Ben made a choice to stay as well.





Yeah, I agree.


Yeah it wasn't just about Jack in the alternate time line. To me, Locke's was the most powerful. I still find it interesting that Anthony Cooper was paralyzed because of something that Locke did.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:09 pm to
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It was clearly all built by the same aliens that built the pyramids. My money is on the Goa'uld.


The Island was their spaceship. Book it.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:10 pm to
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With that accomplished, he chose to stay behind because (I think) to experience how life may have been without the island's interference.


Plus, he was getting pretty close to tapping the French chick.
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:11 pm to
I'm actually really starting to think about it being Desmond's perspective because he was the one that constructed the whole scenario and brought everyone together. He was the one that was "breaking the rules" accoring to Eloise Hawking/Widmore. He caused everyone to become enlightened and Penny was at the church. It doesn't make sense that Penny was so important in Jack's life but she was paramount in Desmond's life (but he had to let go of his obsession with Charles Widmore's approval).

Boone and Shannon were there not because of their connection to Desmond but because of their connection to the others.
Posted by STLSU
Hallandale Beach, FL
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:11 pm to
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Daniel still thought he was responsible for "splitting" the timelines.



That makes the most sense. Thanks.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:11 pm to
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I'm actually really starting to think about it being Desmond's perspective



Posted by Bard
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Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:13 pm to
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Plus, he was getting pretty close to tapping the French chick.


Can you imagine the batshit craziness that would happen if he tapped it and she "remembered" during sex?

Would not want to be Ben at that moment
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29897 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:13 pm to
Here's a question: Juliet told Sawyer that blowing up the bomb worked . . .





did it?
Posted by STLSU
Hallandale Beach, FL
Member since Dec 2004
14846 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:14 pm to
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I think the real debate should be whether the purgatory/meet-up was Jack's perspective or their collective perspective.

Arguments can be made for both sides.


I think it was from the island's perspective. That's why we have infant Aaron and Je-Yeon had not yet been born. If we say that it is from Jack's perspective, then why have all the scenes in the alt land where Desmond is getting everyone together.

I don't get the deal with Jack and Juliet's son, where they just left him behind. What is that? I guess he literally does not exist?
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32714 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:14 pm to
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he was getting pretty close to tapping the French chick.


She was a MILF in this episode
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
41521 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:14 pm to
Er Cokes, you see people keep asking questions and debating the same stuff, which would lead to it looking like me and Freaux are being repetitive when we are simply answering questions and debating.

But I am done with that.

I fully enjoyed most of the episode. As i said the one thing that was bittersweet was that I was so happy to see Locke happy with Helen and his legs working and sad to see it was an illusion.

Yes one could argue that moving on to the next plane would be awesome, but that doesn't stop people from crying at funerals.
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29897 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:15 pm to
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I don't get the deal with Jack and Juliet's son, where they just left him behind. What is that? I guess he literally does not exist?


I think it helped Jack work through father issues. Like Nadia being married helped Sayid work through his issues with her. Anthony Cooper being hurt by Locke, etc.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46949 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:15 pm to
John Locke "You don't have a son, Jack".
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49394 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:15 pm to
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Daniel still thought he was responsible for "splitting" the timelines.


See, I actually took at as a favor to Eloise. She had to sacrifice (both in the killing sense and her relationship with Daniel) her son in the island timeline and all she wanted was be with him in the purgatory timeline.

I thought Desmond's decision to leave Daniel was more Elosie and less about Daniel.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38656 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:16 pm to
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Er Cokes, you see people keep asking questions and debating the same stuff, which would lead to it looking like me and Freaux are being repetitive when we are simply answering questions and debating.


Yeah, I'm having a hard time avoiding that. And the "wrong" implications are still loud and clear.

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But I am done with that.


Same.

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I fully enjoyed most of the episode. As i said the one thing that was bittersweet was that I was so happy to see Locke happy with Helen and his legs working and sad to see it was an illusion.

Yes one could argue that moving on to the next plane would be awesome, but that doesn't stop people from crying at funerals.



Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
13551 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:17 pm to
Focusing on the positives in this post:

I thought the scene with Jack and Kate on the cliff was gorgeous. Most people thought Kate and Sawyer were meant to me because of the chemistry but when she told Jack she loved him wow that was intense.

I also loved the scene with Sawyer and Juliet at the vending machines. The writers kept most of the story between those two from us leaving it to our imagination how they fell in love. I thought this scene was powerful because of how little we saw them on screen together.

The Kate, Claire, Charlie scene was brilliant as well.

The closing scene with Jack and Vincent and Jack accepting his death brought the character full circle. His life was complete he had saved the island and saved the love of his life.

There were some holes which we all knew there would be, but the emotional parts in the finale were beautifully done.

And for everyone that wanted Jack killed two season ago because Matthew Fox had "mailed it in" he had quite a performance last night.
Posted by STLSU
Hallandale Beach, FL
Member since Dec 2004
14846 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:18 pm to
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I think it helped Jack work through father issues. Like Nadia being married helped Sayid work through his issues with her. Anthony Cooper being hurt by Locke, etc.



Yeah, that makes sense. And he couldn't go along anyway with the other Losties, if he actually existed in the purgatory/sideways world.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:18 pm to
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I fully enjoyed most of the episode. As i said the one thing that was bittersweet was that I was so happy to see Locke happy with Helen and his legs working and sad to see it was an illusion.


I didn't see this as a sad thing. Locke didn't go out as the hero, but his faith is what eventually motivated Jack. As Ben said near the end, Locke was indeed special.
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29897 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:18 pm to
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The closing scene with Jack and Vincent and Jack accepting his death brought the character full circle.


I cried like a bitch when fake Vincent sat beside him.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49394 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:19 pm to
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I think it was from the island's perspective.


Then you can't explain Penny.

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If we say that it is from Jack's perspective, then why have all the scenes in the alt land where Desmond is getting everyone together.


This isn't an issue. Jack's perspective just means it was the characters as Jack remembers them. They still have the own stories and motivations.

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I don't get the deal with Jack and Juliet's son, where they just left him behind. What is that? I guess he literally does not exist?
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