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re: LOST "Happily Ever After" S6.E11 (Desmond-centric)
Posted on 4/7/10 at 11:30 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 4/7/10 at 11:30 pm to OMLandshark
best episode of the season imo!!! this really has redeemed much of the season for me; cant explain it but I really really enjoyed this episode.
soo, has the theory been floated that the nuke going off might be the 'wildcard' in the whole MIB getting-off-the-island plan? is it possible that incident will end up as the determing factor that keeps the MIB from getting away?
also, it was super-cool to have desmond start to actively punch through the 2 different realities.
this can only get better. i'm officially back on board the lost bandwagon. woot!
soo, has the theory been floated that the nuke going off might be the 'wildcard' in the whole MIB getting-off-the-island plan? is it possible that incident will end up as the determing factor that keeps the MIB from getting away?
also, it was super-cool to have desmond start to actively punch through the 2 different realities.
this can only get better. i'm officially back on board the lost bandwagon. woot!
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Posted on 4/7/10 at 11:33 pm to OMLandshark
quote:I think they will find the body and Jack will get to bury him.
One thing I was counting on coming into this season is Jack and his father would have some form of closure, even with his death, and if he isn't present that can't happen.
Posted on 4/7/10 at 11:38 pm to CAD703X
quote:I guess it's possible. However, I got the impression that the nuke was what they had to go back and "undo." The way Farraday was talking gave me the impression that the nuke fricked everything up. Now Desmond has to go back and possibly prevent them from setting the nuke off and screwing up the timelines. Kind of like what other people have already alluded to in that the sideflashes are the reality where MIB exists (because the nuke went off) and they need to stop that from becoming the "actual" timeline. Right now all we know about the sideflashes is that something isn't quite right. We just don't know the major thing that is wrong with that sideflash timeline yet.
soo, has the theory been floated that the nuke going off might be the 'wildcard' in the whole MIB getting-off-the-island plan? is it possible that incident will end up as the determing factor that keeps the MIB from getting away?
ETA: the only reason MIB may want them off the island is because that is the only place where they can actually go back in time and change things. If he gets them off the island, then they can't change shite and the sideflash is what will become the actual timeline.
I may be totally off, I'm just thinking out loud.
This post was edited on 4/7/10 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 4/7/10 at 11:49 pm to tuck
My only issue with the alt reality flashes is that they are happening right after flight 815 arrived in LA, which is 3 years before the current events on the island. The times don't match up for Desmond having awareness of both realities at the same time. Of course, the simple answer is that time works differently on the island.
Posted on 4/8/10 at 12:07 am to PsychTiger
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My only issue with the alt reality flashes is that they are happening right after flight 815 arrived in LA, which is 3 years before the current events on the island. The times don't match up for Desmond having awareness of both realities at the same time. Of course, the simple answer is that time works differently on the island.
It makes perfect sense, since he is able to perceive 1996 in both "The Constant" and "Flashes Before Your Eyes". Technically he flashes both through time and between realities, but the relevant thing is he is flashing between realities.
Posted on 4/8/10 at 12:57 am to PsychTiger
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Of course, the simple answer is that time works differently on the island.
Only fools are enslaved by space and time
Posted on 4/8/10 at 7:47 am to Uncle Stu
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from an interview TVGuide just did with the actor that plays Desmond:
quote:
TVGuide.com: Is Desmond claimed like Sayid and Claire (Emilie de Ravin) are?
Cusick: No, absolutely not. He's not claimed at all. It's the polar opposite. Sayid and Claire have been claimed by the Man in Black. Desmond, on the other hand, has had an epiphany. He's enlightened. He has no fear of the Man in Black.
Great stuff Stu.
I know I've read a few people on here that still were kind of wondering if Sayid was claimed or not, and this pretty much answers that.
Plus, the theory that we had about Desmond being enlightened in both realities. The way he was acting as if he had an epiphany.
I find this part particularly interesting:
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He has no fear of the Man in Black.
Can't wait to see what happens next. (The mark of a great show)
Posted on 4/8/10 at 8:14 am to tuck
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I got the impression that the nuke was what they had to go back and "undo." The way Farraday was talking gave me the impression that the nuke fricked everything up. Now Desmond has to go back and possibly prevent them from setting the nuke off and screwing up the timelines. Kind of like what other people have already alluded to in that the sideflashes are the reality where MIB exists (because the nuke went off) and they need to stop that from becoming the "actual" timeline. Right now all we know about the sideflashes is that something isn't quite right.
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the only reason MIB may want them off the island is because that is the only place where they can actually go back in time and change things. If he gets them off the island, then they can't change shite and the sideflash is what will become the actual timeline.
To me, the difficult resolution is how to (a) "straighten out" the timeline and (b) defeat MIB
something tells me, you can't do both. It's either one or the other
Posted on 4/8/10 at 9:11 am to Uncle Stu
If, the first time Desmond sees Jack in island time, he doesn't say,
"I saw you in another life bruthah",
LOST is missing a golden opportunity to be hilarious.
"I saw you in another life bruthah",
LOST is missing a golden opportunity to be hilarious.
Posted on 4/8/10 at 9:22 am to Uncle Stu
quote:Yeah, those seem to be two big conflicts that need resolution.
To me, the difficult resolution is how to (a) "straighten out" the timeline and (b) defeat MIB
quote:Ahhh.... decisions, decisions.
something tells me, you can't do both. It's either one or the other
Posted on 4/8/10 at 9:24 am to Uncle Stu
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I hope that doesnt violate the spoiler policy
Not a spoiler in my mind. Just confirmation of what everyone should have been able to assess for themselves.
Posted on 4/8/10 at 9:27 am to PsychTiger
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Would be funny as hell if Eloise is much more than we ever thought, such as maybe MIB's crazy arse mother.
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Which would then make Daniel MIB.
Again, I was just stating a humurous possibility, but if true, it would not mean Daniel is MIB. It is possible for women to have multiple sons, especially if she is some kind of goddess or demi-goddess and has lived forever.
Posted on 4/8/10 at 9:34 am to Uncle Stu
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you just want to see an Eloise/Charles sex-scene
Hell yes.
Oh yeah.
Not so much.
Posted on 4/8/10 at 10:06 am to ctalati32
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I think the alternate LA timeline is of the MIB's creation. It seems people are given what they think they want most in life, but not true love.
I like this theory, I was still going by this being the reality if Jacob never intervened in their lives, but then Eloise knows so much about Desmond's true desires in the "real/island/ whatever the frick it is" timeline.
So, it seems that they were given a choice to live as they were but something terrible will (or still) happen (e.g., Penny Dies and Nadia dies); or they can choose to avoid that tragedy, but they never get to experience true love with their (holding back the dry heave) soul mate and they get to live life with every other desire they wanted such as Jack becomes a loving father unlike is own father and Desmond gets whidmore's approval although I don't see why he needs it if him banging penny isn't involved.
Posted on 4/8/10 at 12:42 pm to guedeaux
Desmond's whole thing in the beginning was he wanted to prove his bravery and ability to commit to Penny and her father. It seems like after the "test" he has absolutely no fear. He knows he has a constant in Penny, like no matter what happens when, somewhere he has Penny and she loves him. I'm glad to see my favorite character in the loop. But I wonder what his calling people "brother" all these years means? Is it just a charming affectation, or does it mean a bit more?
Posted on 4/8/10 at 12:44 pm to Shiftyplus1
I think it comes from his days in the monastery as a priest if I'm not mistaken. They referred to each other Brother so-and-so, IIRC.
This post was edited on 4/8/10 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 4/8/10 at 12:52 pm to tuck
Yeah I know, but he called Charlie "brother" a couple times in the reality where he worked for Widmore, so I was wondering if it might mean something more.
Posted on 4/8/10 at 1:13 pm to Shiftyplus1
Just his way of speaking. Lots of people say brother, man, dude, etc.
Posted on 4/8/10 at 2:46 pm to Shiftyplus1
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I wonder what his calling people "brother" all these years means? Is it just a charming affectation, or does it mean a bit more?
Not sure I'm following. Are you saying that everyone on the show are brothers and sisters?
Posted on 4/8/10 at 2:57 pm to BhamTigah
So I'm back up to Season 2 Episode 18, Dave. I totally forgot about what Ben said to Locke after they found out about who he really was.
"God doesn't know how long we've been on this island, John. God can't see this island any better than the rest of the world can."
Other tid bits:
It appears was MIB just playing Dave to get Hurley to jump off the cliff and kill himself. That would have been one candidate down.
And of all things, Ben tells Locke that the hatch is a joke and basically plants the seed that he should not push the button. When Locke was trapped under the door, he said he went over into the hatch and he didn't push the button and nothing happened. So how does Ben benefit from a huge EM explosion?
It's really strange to go back and watch the old ones after you know the direction the show takes in 5 and 6.
"God doesn't know how long we've been on this island, John. God can't see this island any better than the rest of the world can."
Other tid bits:
It appears was MIB just playing Dave to get Hurley to jump off the cliff and kill himself. That would have been one candidate down.
And of all things, Ben tells Locke that the hatch is a joke and basically plants the seed that he should not push the button. When Locke was trapped under the door, he said he went over into the hatch and he didn't push the button and nothing happened. So how does Ben benefit from a huge EM explosion?
It's really strange to go back and watch the old ones after you know the direction the show takes in 5 and 6.
This post was edited on 4/8/10 at 3:09 pm
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