re: Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power trailers (updated with new comic con trailer)

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If you're so certain this will suck, why in the hell are you constantly in these threads? Just don't watch it, and leave the discussion to those who will give it a try.

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Because I love this property. It is the most dear to me. Now I’m not likely to make the weekly watch threads unless something comes along my line of sight that someone leaks that is blasphemous to me. But an attack on this property I take personally and I have to defend it.

I knew you wouldn’t get it. Your entire premise is basically a false understanding of Tolkien lore. You are trying to interject real world evolutionary concepts which simply do not apply.

This isn’t an argument you can win.

It isn’t me you are debating, but rather Tolkien himself.

Sorry.

Sammy, for future reference, these are two Tolkien nerds arguing back and forth. People who have read Lord of the Rungs argue in the subtleties that the movie watchers don’t know. Read the books the next time you decide to argue with us.

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The three major elven types show variety based on their surroundings and culture. They also pass on traits such as hair color, fairness, eye color, etc. through sexual reproduction.

Clearly they are subject to the laws of sexual and natural selection. We know these laws exist on Middle Earth, because Hobbits exist.

My point was that black skinned elves are not completely outside the realm of possibility, but would be so jarring to see that a compelling explanation would be needed.

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Agreed, but seeing two posters who know what they’re talking about arguing compared to the earlier pages is making me laugh my arse off with people like Sammy’s retard arguments. It’s entertaining me.

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The race changes are just silly because they don't even make sense from a geographical/anthropological perspective.

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Its important there is representation.

For instance, there may be a black female out there that may say "I want to grow up and be a bearded elf lady and run with hobbits."

Why would you ever want to rob a child of her dream?

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How are we getting off into Elven sub-races?

I SUPPOSE you could postulate that there are those among the Nandor that would not match up, just as there was Mim and other petty-dwarves that didn't fit the Seven Houses. But as far as I know, there is little to no mention of the Nandor in any of Tolkien's tales. Even Eol was Sindar.

*Technically, I guess the Orcs are Nandor. Those who didn't at least begin to migrate got scooped up by Morgoth and tortured into the things we later see.

For those who want a different perspective on Tolkien's work, google "Sauron's Blog". It's both hilarious, and very well thought out. I concede it's probably more entertaining than this show will be.

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I mean, it’s possible some of them went south. Likely? No. But it’s the only argument I see of there being black elves. Now black hobbits and dwarves, no fricking way.

While people will argue when they rose, we know for a fricking fact where they rose and it was the Anduin Valley. There’s no way there are black hobbits due to this.

You are exhausting. You claim to be done with this series but you post 100 times in this thread. Get over yourself.

Within the realm of possibility according to whom? Nothing in Tolkien’s writings suggest any such thing as occurred. There certainly hasn’t been ample time for evolution to have produced them.

Is it possible that in the very early days one or a small number of elves inexplicably branched off and headed toward the south & east, like the blue wizards did much later on, and eventually , met darker skinned men & started their own half blood race?

If so, then what became of them? Also, what became of the black hobbits, and black dwarfs? Setting them up to have existed in the past but then omitting them later on is a massive problem across the board. It is effectively retconning the entire world which Tolkien himself set up.

Look, this entire nonsense stems from the twisted idea that people need to see them selves on screen in order to relate to a story. That is narcissistic at its core. And has zero to do with J.R.R. Tolkien.

Elendil and Isildur. Going to be interesting on how they plan to compress over 1000 years of events of the second age to one season. I know Ar-Pharazon is definitely a major character so it’ll start off with the Faithful against the Kings Men.

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In a pretty Minor way unless you really care about skin color.

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That's a short sighted and frankly misguided view on this topic.

You clearly don't know or care about Tolkien's reason behind his writings.

I care about Tolkien's established lore, not placating the woke agenda. So yes, I DO care about skin color in Tolkien's Middle Earth. Every bit as I care about skin color in the Afro Ethnic State that is Wakanda. I don't NEED to see a white Euro based straight male in Black Panther because the story doesn't call for it. Same with Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.

It has to do with respect and authenticity.