re: Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power trailers (updated with new comic con trailer)

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Oh well get 260 million dollars and buy the rights from Amazon, loser.

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You have vote.

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Why?

I get “Woke” movies and shows that I get to enjoy.

You get to cry on the internet and circle jerk eachother. Y’all forget You already lost.

Here is also another fun Tolkein quote for y’all:

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I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.

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Lol I loved the book. You’re not special.

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My point is, while Tolkein had his intentions, the LOTR hasn’t become Englands mythos. It’s a great project to draw from the already existing mythos of England, but did you know any of that BEFORE you read the hobbit or the LOTR trilogy?

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Correct. I didn't know the full history of Tolkien or his movies before I read The Hobbit.

None of that is germane to the issue being discussed.

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Is it necessary to enjoy them? Also no.

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You DO know it's not just England, right? And even if Tolkien admits that part of his motivation was to create something, doesn't mean that's what he ended up doing. You bizarre claim that 'since it's not instantly recognized as canon of English mythos' nothing he wrote matters, and that Amazon can now do what want is absurd. HE is the creator of this world.

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Do the books not posses universal themes that transcend England?

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Such as? Name one.

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Further, the maps provided make it clear that while based on these legend and stories, this isn’t in England.

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Literally no one claimed it was. But 'inspired by' can have many degrees of comparison.


Listen, you want black and brown people? Fine. They're in his works. They're called Haradrim, and Southrons. Areas of Near and Far Harad. They existed, but Tolkien's writings, the stories of the Ring, of Hobbits and such, didn't include them.

They were part of their own stories, and not until the war of the Ring did they enter into the area of Gondor. So The Hobbit and LOTR stories didn't concern them.

Deal with it.

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Correct. I didn't know the full history of Tolkien or his movies before I read The Hobbit.

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So we agree, you don’t need to know anything about Tolkein’s intentions to read and enjoy the books.

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You DO know it's not just England, right?

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I do, which is why I didnt Really care about Tolkien’s intentions.

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And even if Tolkien admits that part of his motivation was to create something, doesn't mean that's what he ended up doing. You bizarre claim that 'since it's not instantly recognized as canon of English mythos' nothing he wrote matters, and that Amazon can now do what want is absurd. HE is the creator of this world.

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That’s not my claim at all, my whole arguement was that Tolkien’s intention to write some English mythology doesn’t really matter.

Not NOTHING he wrote matters.

But just like I wasn’t upset that dwarves in the Hobbit movie didn’t all have colorful cloaks and beards exactly as he described, I’m not upset that some elves are black.

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Such as? Name one.

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The corrupting quality of power
Good vs evil
Industrialization vs nature
Christianity
Death and mortality.

Universal themes. That transcend nationality and race.

You didn't watch the video.

I get it.