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Lonesome Dove question
Posted on 6/18/26 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 6/18/26 at 12:20 pm
If you were in Gus or Woodrow's place, would you have hung Jake Spoon for riding with the bad crew he was with? Me personally, I would have heard him out before stringing him up. Woodrow had a strict moral compass which had no room for error. But why was Gus (besides Lori darlin') so quick to hang him?
Posted on 6/18/26 at 12:30 pm to TrapperJohn
allow me to refresh your memory
Jake Spoon is a former Texas Ranger and friend of Augustus McCrae, Woodrow Call, Pea Eye Parker, and Deets. He leaves Lonesome Dove soon after the establishment of the Hat Creek Cattle Company. But he runs back to his friends for protection after he accidentally kills a man and sheriff July Johnson begins pursuing him. Jake is a womanizer, gambler, dandy, and lazy to boot. He spends the beginning of the drive drinking, dallying with Lorena—whom he’s seduced with empty promises to take her to San Francisco—or riding into the towns they pass to gamble, leaving her unprotected. After Blue Duck kidnaps her, Jake just goes into another town, finds a new sex worker to take care of him (Sally Skull), and gets back to gambling. Having alienated his friends but afraid to be alone with the law on his trail, Jake allows himself to fall in with outlaws Dan, Roy, and Ed Suggs and their friend Frog Lip. He witnesses and begrudgingly participates in their killing spree and the theft of Wilbarger’s horses; for this reason, when Call, Gus, Pea Eye, and Deets catch up with the criminal gang, they hang Jake along with the others. In a final act of redemption, he takes responsibility for his choices by taking his hanging into his own hands rather than leaving it to Gus.
Jake Spoon is a former Texas Ranger and friend of Augustus McCrae, Woodrow Call, Pea Eye Parker, and Deets. He leaves Lonesome Dove soon after the establishment of the Hat Creek Cattle Company. But he runs back to his friends for protection after he accidentally kills a man and sheriff July Johnson begins pursuing him. Jake is a womanizer, gambler, dandy, and lazy to boot. He spends the beginning of the drive drinking, dallying with Lorena—whom he’s seduced with empty promises to take her to San Francisco—or riding into the towns they pass to gamble, leaving her unprotected. After Blue Duck kidnaps her, Jake just goes into another town, finds a new sex worker to take care of him (Sally Skull), and gets back to gambling. Having alienated his friends but afraid to be alone with the law on his trail, Jake allows himself to fall in with outlaws Dan, Roy, and Ed Suggs and their friend Frog Lip. He witnesses and begrudgingly participates in their killing spree and the theft of Wilbarger’s horses; for this reason, when Call, Gus, Pea Eye, and Deets catch up with the criminal gang, they hang Jake along with the others. In a final act of redemption, he takes responsibility for his choices by taking his hanging into his own hands rather than leaving it to Gus.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 12:31 pm to TrapperJohn
I think both men felt a sincere, personal betrayal by his actions.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 12:32 pm to TrapperJohn
If a group of people stole your car which is your mode of transit, would you not want to press charges in today's time just because you knew one of them. I would also view this as someone stealing my farm equipment and my way of making a living. I know I can't just go hang them today, but damn sure I am going to press charges and want to see them pay for their crime regardless if I knew them.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 12:49 pm to bamapoet
Yeah the grimace on Gus’s face after Jake hung himself kinda showed that they were pretty disturbed by actually going forth with it even though it was the proper course of action because Gus said it best, ride with an outlaw, die like an outlaw. Plus Gus was pissed at Jake for conning Lori into coming on the trip and then abandoning her.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:01 pm to MWP
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Yeah the grimace on Gus’s face after Jake hung himself
A brilliant bit of acting by the way. Just perfection. Jake rode with outlaws, so he died with outlaws. I am sorry he crossed the line.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:23 pm to arktiger28
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I am sorry he crossed the line.
He didn’t see no line, arktiger28
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:28 pm to Zap Rowsdower
I read the book and watched the mini-series many, many years ago. While I remember enjoying both I’m a little hazy on the details.
Refresh my memory. Didn’t Gus and Woodrow steal those cows in Mexico before taking them on the drive??
If caught by the Mexican law wouldn’t they have been hung or shot or whatever form of capital punishment the Mexicans were using at the time?
Refresh my memory. Didn’t Gus and Woodrow steal those cows in Mexico before taking them on the drive??
If caught by the Mexican law wouldn’t they have been hung or shot or whatever form of capital punishment the Mexicans were using at the time?
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:32 pm to TrapperJohn
Jake deserved to die for abandoning prime Diane Lane if nothing else.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:36 pm to bird35
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Refresh my memory. Didn’t Gus and Woodrow steal those cows in Mexico before taking them on the drive??
They went to steal his cattle and in the process caught him (Pedro Flores) coming back from a trip into Texas to steal a bunch of horses. They started a stampede towards him with the cows so they could turn the horses back to go with them. They just didn’t have any qualms about stealing from an old bandit who probably stole what they were taking to begin with.
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If caught by the Mexican law wouldn’t they have been hung or shot or whatever form of capital punishment the Mexicans were using at the time?
I don’t know how much the Mexican law would have interfered with anything involving an old bandit like Pedro Flores. The feeling I got is that Flores just kind of did his own thing outside of the rule of law and his ranch was like his own personal fiefdom built on crime.
This post was edited on 6/18/26 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:42 pm to dickkellog
Robert Urich played Jake Spoon very well. It kind of gets overlooked because of Duvall and Jones.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:47 pm to bird35
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Refresh my memory. Didn’t Gus and Woodrow steal those cows in Mexico before taking them on the drive??
It was implied that Florez was a thief himself, so none of his livestock were his. That seemed to make them feel justified. But they were someone's cows, and the morality is certainly questionable, but I guess that is the old west for you.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:49 pm to TrapperJohn
The audience got to see Jake Spoon's revulsion to the outlaws he fell in with. We saw him protest his diluted moral code several times until he was eventually held at gunpoint during the sodbuster incident.
But when Gus and Co. caught up to him they had no way of knowing he was sort of a Patty Hearst at some point in the crime spree. They didn't witness the events, just documented the aftermath. Thus the "ride with outlaws, die with outlaws" rule was enforced.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 2:15 pm to TrapperJohn
Hang his arse. They knew what type of man he was and knew he just goes along which is why they hadn’t seen him in years. He was a civilized vagrant who got himself hung by riding with outlaws.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 2:28 pm to TrapperJohn
Jake Spoon got exactly what he deserved.
quote:He may have not liked what had to happen, but he knew it had to happen.
But why was Gus (besides Lori darlin') so quick to hang him
Posted on 6/18/26 at 2:32 pm to TrapperJohn
Damn, what a great freaking movie.
My brother and I used to try and stump each other with Lonesome Dove trivia.
Here's one for you all..
What is the name of Newt's horse he started with? He said in once in the entire series. Don't google it.
This post was edited on 6/18/26 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 6/18/26 at 2:35 pm to Sam Quint
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prime Diane Lane
:weebeygif:
I don't know how many times I've watched Lonesome Dove and I never realized that was Diane Lane.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:48 pm to bird35
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Refresh my memory. Didn’t Gus and Woodrow steal those cows in Mexico before taking them on the drive??
If caught by the Mexican law wouldn’t they have been hung or shot or whatever form of capital punishment the Mexicans were using at the time?
correct. Hell ,Pedro Flores would've killed them.
Everyone seems to be forgetting that Jake went along with three or four murders, horse thieving, and the posthumous burning of the sodbusters. That was a particularly heinous act (based on the reactions of Gus, Call et al.). I think Jakes "accessory" to these offenses crossed a line for Gus and Call- two men who were no angles themselves.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:52 pm to i am dan
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What is the name of Newt's horse he started with? He said in once in the entire series. Don't google it.
Is it Hellbitch the one Captain was attempting to break at the beginning? Idk. I know Pea Eye called the horse that but can’t remember if Newt did or not.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:55 pm to i am dan
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What is the name of Newt's horse he started with? He said in once in the entire series. Don't google it.
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