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Legends of the Fall
Posted on 11/16/15 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 11/16/15 at 9:25 pm
1.) Is this movie more about Tristan or Susannah?
2.) Who's fault is it that the Ludlow boys destroyed themselves over the affections of Susannah? Susannah or the boys themselves?
I go back and forth on both questions.
2.) Who's fault is it that the Ludlow boys destroyed themselves over the affections of Susannah? Susannah or the boys themselves?
I go back and forth on both questions.
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 9:31 pm to LuckySo-n-So
"Families are always rising and falling in America"
-Hawthorne
-Hawthorne
Posted on 11/16/15 at 9:54 pm to LuckySo-n-So
It is a strange story and I always felt bad for the oldest brother. He tried to do the right thing and was the most successful. But everybody fawned over Tristan. I never got why the father was so mad at him. Tristan abandoned Susannah and maybe he felt a need to take care of her (there weren't many women around that part of the country). It's like the world was supposed to stop until Tristan decided to come back home. I get that he had his demons and he needed to work shite out, but the world kept going.
Back to the OP, it's about Tristan. We are supposed to admire him and be in awe of his beauty. Even though he is kind of a selfish douche.
The boys didn't destroy themselves. Only 1 of 3 died in battle and the other 2 made it past middle age. Their wives kicked the bucket early. But both will probably re-marry and have more kids. That's pretty good for the 1920s-40s, right? The family survived and probably prospered..
Back to the OP, it's about Tristan. We are supposed to admire him and be in awe of his beauty. Even though he is kind of a selfish douche.
The boys didn't destroy themselves. Only 1 of 3 died in battle and the other 2 made it past middle age. Their wives kicked the bucket early. But both will probably re-marry and have more kids. That's pretty good for the 1920s-40s, right? The family survived and probably prospered..
Posted on 11/16/15 at 10:00 pm to LuckySo-n-So
1. The story is about Tristan
2. Susannah was completely at fault. She was feeling Tristan before the war and then started a relationship while still mourning Samuel. She then marries Alfred though she doesn't love him. She makes advances towards Tristan after his wife was killed. Because of her guilt and loss of Tristan, she killed herself.
2. Susannah was completely at fault. She was feeling Tristan before the war and then started a relationship while still mourning Samuel. She then marries Alfred though she doesn't love him. She makes advances towards Tristan after his wife was killed. Because of her guilt and loss of Tristan, she killed herself.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 10:05 pm to StripedSaint
Pretty much sums it up.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 10:09 pm to StripedSaint
I think in the context of the story, the idea is supposed to be that there is no controlling love. It's wild like Montana. No one is at fault.
But yeah, it's Susannah's fault.
But yeah, it's Susannah's fault.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 10:51 pm to LuckySo-n-So
Love this movie.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:22 pm to JumpingTheShark
The story was about Tristan. They even say it at the end, Tristan was like a rock that they all kept crashing into. A wild horse that could not be tamed. Tristan represented the West and its wild spirit that could not be tamed. Fitting he finally died in the wild. It was a good death.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 3:07 am to SoDakHawk
Haaaaaayyyyyyyyawwwwwwaaaaaaaayyyyyyaaaaaaayyyyyyaaaaaahhhhhhhheeeeeyyyyyyyyy
Posted on 11/17/15 at 8:08 am to LuckySo-n-So
Tristan
Alfred is the only one that you could say destroyed himself over Susannah, although it wasn't total destruction or her fault. His jealousy and insecurity are actually to blame for most of his problems. He redeemed himself, though.
Alfred is the only one that you could say destroyed himself over Susannah, although it wasn't total destruction or her fault. His jealousy and insecurity are actually to blame for most of his problems. He redeemed himself, though.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:05 am to LuckySo-n-So
quote:
1.) Is this movie more about Tristan or Susannah?
I don't know that you can necessarily pin it as a story between one or the other, but if I have to choose I'd say Tristan.
quote:
2.) Who's fault is it that the Ludlow boys destroyed themselves over the affections of Susannah? Susannah or the boys themselves?
There's plenty of blame to go around. Tristan strung Susannah out like a bad crack addict with his letters and waited far too long to tell her to let their relationship go. Alfred was a large catalyst of the issues between Susannah and the brothers because of his jealousy. And Susannah herself knew when she settled with Alfred that she was still in love with Tristan.
I think the only one who was purely above any responsibility was Samuel.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:07 am to LuckySo-n-So
One Stab's summary of Susannah:
"She was like the water that freezes inside a rock and breaks it apart. It was no more her fault than it is the fault of the water when the rock shatters."
"She was like the water that freezes inside a rock and breaks it apart. It was no more her fault than it is the fault of the water when the rock shatters."
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:25 am to LuckySo-n-So
I never really liked this movie, because like someone else said, Tristan was a selfish douche. It reminds me a lot of the story fo the Prodigal Son, who was also a douche.
Random trivia, I've canoed past the famous rock in this movie. It's on the Buffalo River in northern Arkansas.
Random trivia, I've canoed past the famous rock in this movie. It's on the Buffalo River in northern Arkansas.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:32 am to TygerTyger
Elephant rock?
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:39 am to LuckySo-n-So
quote:The oldest brother. TPOS.
Who's fault is it that the Ludlow boys destroyed themselves over the affections of Susannah?
Posted on 11/17/15 at 3:28 pm to LuckySo-n-So
Anyone else find it odd that One Stab can't speak English in the movie, but he narrates the movie in English?
Posted on 11/17/15 at 3:40 pm to CajunInFL
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Anyone else find it odd that One Stab can't speak English in the movie, but he narrates the movie in English?
He understands it perfectly well, just wouldn't lower himself to speak it. This is what Alfred told Susannah
Posted on 11/17/15 at 3:48 pm to LuckySo-n-So
quote:
1.) Is this movie more about Tristan or Susannah?
I never even thought this to be an option for deciding if the movie was about her. I mean, it doesn't end on her death and all the retribution at the end does not concern her.
It's funny, I never seem to catch the beginning of this movie when it's on, always seems to be after the War.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 4:34 pm to TygerTyger
quote:
Random trivia, I've canoed past the famous rock in this movie. It's on the Buffalo River in northern Arkansas.
quote:
Legends of the Fall was filmed on location in Alberta and British Columbia, Canada. Additional scenes were shot at Maple Leaf Square in Vancouver, and Ocho Rios in St. Ann, Jamaica. Filming wrapped up around January 1994
i knew that didnt sound right
you may have this movie mixed up with another one
Posted on 11/17/15 at 4:56 pm to Sasquatch Smash
quote:
I never even thought this to be an option for deciding if the movie was about her. I mean, it doesn't end on her death and all the retribution at the end does not concern her.
It's funny, I never seem to catch the beginning of this movie when it's on, always seems to be after the War.
At the beginning, you see Tristan as a boy (as told by One Stab) fighting the bear that he fights again at the end of the movie. It all comes full circle, which is why I think it's more about Tristan than Susannah.
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