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re: Justice League ***SPOILERS*** Thread
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:12 am to Muahahaha
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:12 am to Muahahaha
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Saw this movie yesterday with my son. Although I enjoyed the movie for what it was, I feel and agree with those that say it was rushed. This why DC is behind Marvel in the movie experience. I think the characters outside of Batman, Wonder Women and Superman needed their own individual movies to build the character backgrounds like Marvel did with Avengers.
Not having the background and the ability to connect to Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg it felt incomplete and disconnected. If this would've taken place, I feel this movie would have been move more received.
I'm guessing that there was a lot more backstory on Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg in Snyder's cut. We know that Vulko and Iris Allen had scenes that were deleted. Seems like Whedon had to jettison some of the backstory to make way for his updated plot and connective tissue.
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 12:23 pm to RedPants
quote:That's the big flaw of the DC movies. I know we say "give us heroes and get on with the story", but that's mostly concerning Batman and Superman, where those origins have been explored already. Marvel can do this with Spiderman: Homecoming, because we've all seen Peter Parker over and over.
The only gripe I have is the team up seemed so rushed. We never get to explore the lore behind Atlantis or the relation between Cyborg and the mother boxes. Wish they had taken time to build the universe like Marvel did.
I know very little about any of these Movie DC characters. Bruce Wayne seems to live in a lake house, with Wayne Manor as a dilapidated ruin on the property. Diana lives in Paris. Aquaman is apparently in Finland, and Flash is in "Central City", wherever that may be (at some point, DC will have to decide if these are real places or not. I see "Smallville" became Comanche, Kansas).
Sure, I know who the characters are already. That shouldn't give the filmmakers a pass on actually developing them somewhat. You get away with introducing Wonder Woman in action (BvS) and then developing her, but don't do that for every fricking hero.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 12:25 pm to Scoob
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I see "Smallville" became Comanche, Kansas
In fairness, that's where the realtor handling the foreclosure is located, they didn't necessarily dump Smallville.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 1:08 pm to Scoob
Going with a team concept without prior solo movies isn't the problem. It's the execution that is the problem. We've had enough successful X-Men films to disprove the "Marvel Studios is the only way to go" myth.
Black Widow and Hawkeye were powerless, originless cyphers in the first Avengers movie. But the film worked because of the execution. We have zero background info on Nick Fury, but he was the glue holding the first few MS movies together. If Whedon had been in charge from the start, JL would've worked for a wider audience.
Black Widow and Hawkeye were powerless, originless cyphers in the first Avengers movie. But the film worked because of the execution. We have zero background info on Nick Fury, but he was the glue holding the first few MS movies together. If Whedon had been in charge from the start, JL would've worked for a wider audience.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 1:18 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Going with a team concept without prior solo movies isn't the problem. It's the execution that is the problem. We've had enough successful X-Men films to disprove the "Marvel Studios is the only way to go" myth
+10000 great point.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 4:38 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:Oh, I agree.
Going with a team concept without prior solo movies isn't the problem. It's the execution that is the problem. We've had enough successful X-Men films to disprove the "Marvel Studios is the only way to go" myth.
But the point was, everything just didn't feel quite right with this. I'm just fishing around trying to figure out how it could be fixed.
It really, really needed more work done to make it a better flick.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 4:52 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Going with a team concept without prior solo movies isn't the problem. It's the execution that is the problem. We've had enough successful X-Men films to disprove the "Marvel Studios is the only way to go" myth.
Agree and disagree. Of course "The MCU Way" isn't the only way to go about things. You are correct that there have been enough successful X films to disprove such an assertion. However, those X-Men films are successful because they keep things very focused on a few characters, namely Prof X, Magneto, Wolverine, and Mystique. Not a single other character has a relevant arc, and many - Cyclops, Iceman, Nightcrawler - are sacrificed at the alter of characters like Wolverine. Additionally, characters like Beast are completely changed to the antithesis of their characters just to serve these particular stories.
So, while those movies are successful, I'm not sure I want Hal Jordan getting the Bobby Drake or, even worse, Scott Summers treatment.
They are good movies, but they are not good X-Men movies.
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Black Widow and Hawkeye were powerless, originless cyphers in the first Avengers movie. But the film worked because of the execution. We have zero background info on Nick Fury, but he was the glue holding the first few MS movies together. If Whedon had been in charge from the start, JL would've worked for a wider audience.
This is true, but again, they've built Hawkeye and Widow over time, and even given them worthwhile arcs. And, you have to be honest, they are that malleable in terms of the story because they are the least powerful. No one really wonders, "Hey, where's Hawkeye?" through the first part of Civil War. We just accept he's gone.
Would someone do the same with a Hal Jordan or J'Onzz? Doubtful, nor would we want to.
The X-Men are also unique because their identity is as a team, depending on the run of X-Men you read there are a dozen characters that are just kind of there, and that works because it's usually about Mutantkind. I think the X-Men properties are just more acceptably less character centric, therefore, transferred to film this way more easily.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 5:03 pm to Freauxzen
Saw JL yesterday and I enjoyed it. I'll need to watch it again before making a final determination on where I would place it in the pantheon of comic movies but at least I WANT to watch it again.
While the Steppenwolf CGI wasn't the greatest ever it certainly wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be going in. Also, I don't feel like he was another bland villain bent on world domination. I mean, he was, but at least there was some explanation on his motivations and his power. He was pretty much wrecking everyone until Superman decided to enter the fray. I couldn't stop staring at Superman's lip btw....that was bad.
JL definitely would have been exponentially better had there been more character development and a fully fleshed out universe but I think that the actors did the best with what they had to work with.
While the Steppenwolf CGI wasn't the greatest ever it certainly wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be going in. Also, I don't feel like he was another bland villain bent on world domination. I mean, he was, but at least there was some explanation on his motivations and his power. He was pretty much wrecking everyone until Superman decided to enter the fray. I couldn't stop staring at Superman's lip btw....that was bad.
JL definitely would have been exponentially better had there been more character development and a fully fleshed out universe but I think that the actors did the best with what they had to work with.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 5:21 pm to Mad_Mardigan
I still can't figure out if the cgi or voice acting was worse for steppenwolf
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:03 pm to whatiknowsofar
Just saw it. It wasn't bad at all.
The only bad thing for me was steppenwolf's CGI. Pretty poor.
The only bad thing for me was steppenwolf's CGI. Pretty poor.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 8:21 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:ciaran Hinds is the voice actor for Steppenwolf. He did a fine job you're a stupid piece of shite
voice acting was worse for steppenwolf
Posted on 11/20/17 at 10:22 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Just got out. This movie is surprisingly not total garbage. By no means is it a great movie, but I am pleasantly surprised.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:06 am to Scoob
Marvel used real cities.
DC used ambiguous Stand ins.
DC used ambiguous Stand ins.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:13 am to Freauxzen
Honestly, you can still look at Marvel's own formula for one of their films, which follows your description. Look at Gaurdians. You have 5 major characters who haven't been seen before, yet are brought together in one single film as an ensemble.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 12:21 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Going with a team concept without prior solo movies isn't the problem. It's the execution that is the problem. We've had enough successful X-Men films to disprove the "Marvel Studios is the only way to go" myth. Black Widow and Hawkeye were powerless, originless cyphers in the first Avengers movie. But the film worked because of the execution. We have zero background info on Nick Fury, but he was the glue holding the first few MS movies together. If Whedon had been in charge from the start, JL would've worked for a wider audience.
I agree with you, buddy. Just see my post above about how Guardians was able to do that in one film.
I do have a MAJOR problem though with how DC handled the whole "skipping individuals stories" thing. Batman starts out as a 20 year veteran. I think that's ridiculous. You are basically cutting out 20 years worth of material from a universe you are trying to build. More importantly, when we meet Batman we have no real concept of why he has this pessimistic viewpoint on life. Sure we're told. But we're not shown. And as we all know movies need to show... frick i'm not finishing that statement. While a film like Justice League could probably be pulled off properly with no previous films, I just don't see that being possible for BVS. BVS would have been much better had we a few films with Clark and Bruce.
Anyway, that's part of my issue with DCEU. They've had no plan. And the decisions they have made have been some of the worst ideas for universe building.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:29 am to red_giraffe
Saw it last night and I didn't think it was terrible. It did have CGI issues, misplaced humor, and the story seemed to jump around a lot.
The Good:
Steppenwolf introduction was great. The battle on Themyscira looked awesome and made him feel like a threat.
JL vs Superman was awesome and I wanted more of it. Looks like they cut scenes from the trailers and that's disappointing. The look on Barry's face...
The underground encounter was done really well.
Ezra was better than I expected.
The Bad:
Batman seemed to regress significantly as a fighter and character from BvS.
Too much additional humor and felt out of place.
OP Superman. The appeared degradation of Steppenwolf was a bummer. He's no Doomsday but he was manhandled at the end by Superman and Aquaman.
Only one mention of Darkseid. Felt like they forgot to edit that piece out.
The after credits scene was a waste.
The Good:
Steppenwolf introduction was great. The battle on Themyscira looked awesome and made him feel like a threat.
JL vs Superman was awesome and I wanted more of it. Looks like they cut scenes from the trailers and that's disappointing. The look on Barry's face...
The underground encounter was done really well.
Ezra was better than I expected.
The Bad:
Batman seemed to regress significantly as a fighter and character from BvS.
Too much additional humor and felt out of place.
OP Superman. The appeared degradation of Steppenwolf was a bummer. He's no Doomsday but he was manhandled at the end by Superman and Aquaman.
Only one mention of Darkseid. Felt like they forgot to edit that piece out.
The after credits scene was a waste.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:25 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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ciaran Hinds is the voice actor for Steppenwolf. He did a fine job you're a stupid piece of shite
I don't give a frick bro. He had a simple monotone inflection that was very flat the entire time. There's a part where he tells the nightmare demons to charge forward where he should deliver a huge booming battle cry and instead he sounds like he's asking them to go to the fricking grocery store.
Steppenwolf was shittily done, from the cgi all the way to the voice acting.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:43 pm to Sentrius
Warner has added Superman to their JL posters and banners.
Nothing cheers me up like a bright red and blue Superman.
Nothing cheers me up like a bright red and blue Superman.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 5:25 pm to Fewer Kilometers
If you haven't read the comics, you have no idea who the frick Steppenwolf is, much less why he's even a thing or why we should fear him. Generic Comic Villain™.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 5:30 pm to VoxDawg
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If you haven't read the comics, you have no idea who the frick Steppenwolf is, much less why he's even a thing or why we should fear him. Generic Comic Villain™.
They went through the standard Mother Box / Infinity Stones mumbo-jumbo in the movie. It's not like this is the first superhero movie to throw a "he's going to destroy the world" villain at you.
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