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re: Just how bad was The Last Jedi?
Posted on 4/14/19 at 9:24 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/14/19 at 9:24 am to SlowFlowPro
Weird how the positive reviewers on here are never specific
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Posted on 4/14/19 at 9:26 am to NIH
they're less specific there than they are about who they voted for 
Posted on 4/14/19 at 9:27 am to Dale Murphy
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Just how bad was The Last Jedi?
It’s so bad I went to see my doctor. "Doctor, every time I see TLJ I feel like throwing up. What's wrong with me?" He said, "I don't know but your eyesight is perfect."
Posted on 4/14/19 at 9:31 am to DustyDinkleman
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This is extremely evident by asking them to narrow down the reason these movies were so bad, but the only response given is “the whole thing was terrible.”
I never see any logical reasoning from any of these blow hards.
The whole movie was terrible though. And I liked Captain Marvel, so that throws your theory out the window. TLJ was fricking terrible.
This post was edited on 4/14/19 at 9:32 am
Posted on 4/14/19 at 9:41 am to Jay Are
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The new star wars trilogy isn't written for you. It was made for a younger, money spending audience.
Great idea. Alienate the core fan base. What the frick could go wrong? Let’s instead focus on intersectional feminists! That audience is fricking huge! Dozens of them!
quote:
TLJ was good, if you can get past your childhood star wars sex fantasies.
Please go into details on why.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:08 am to DustyDinkleman
quote:I have been explicit and specific as to the key things about the movie I hate:
In my experience, those who hated TLJ (and Captain Marvel) are doing so just to follow the trend. They really can’t find anything majorly wrong with it, but will bash it regardless.
This is extremely evident by asking them to narrow down the reason these movies were so bad, but the only response given is “the whole thing was terrible.”
I never see any logical reasoning from any of these blow hards.
1.) Rose's dialogue is some of the worst since Storm on X-Men
2.) Save space horses, frick the slave children
3.) Hermit emo jake skywalker
4.) I am evil, insidious uber villain Snoke, I will take over the galax. . .I'm dead.
5.) Convenient discovery of hyperdrive as a weapon
6.) Poe converted from fun character, to the 2nd or 3rd shittiest
7.) Holdo. . .frick what a shitty character
8.) Leia Poppins
9.) Hux is now an incompetent, bumbling try hard
10.) Yoda shooting force lightning as a ghost (the most damaging scene to SW lore)
I mean just send force ghosts into the First Order and have them wipe everyone out.
Now Mr. Dinkelman, If you would be so kind as to share what you liked about the movie. And please be as specific and as concise as those who loathe the movie.
I will even help you out:
1.) The Rey/Kylo fight with the guards was badass
2.) ?
This post was edited on 4/14/19 at 10:16 am
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
Probably some overlap there 
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:47 am to Roaad
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Hermit emo jake skywalker
BOW
Posted on 4/14/19 at 11:01 am to Dale Murphy
So bad that there’s literally nothing to look forward to with 9.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 11:32 am to TomyDingo
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The majority of Star Wars fans liked it but there’s a vocal minority that still continue to complain about it years later.
The rotten tomatoes user score and the abysmal performance of Solo suggest that you are wrong.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 11:38 am to Dale Murphy
Imagine in the most critical film of the Avengers plot line, Captain America suddenly hates America and decides to quit the Avengers and the dies a billion miles away from the final climax of the film and Iron Man get 14 minutes of screen time, doesn’t affect the ending , and is basically the same character at the end as he was in the First Iron Man film. Instead, the majority of the film is dedicated to a new Avenger that is both extremely aggravating and utterly useless. Then at the end of film, this new Avenger - who has no value to the film - decides to stop Thor from sacrificing himself to save the rest of the team because of ... love.
It really was terrible.
It really was terrible.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 11:38 am to DustyDinkleman
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In my experience, those who hated TLJ (and Captain Marvel) are doing so just to follow the trend. They really can’t find anything majorly wrong with it, but will bash it regardless.
So wrong. In fact, I remember before I went to see TLJ, I was talking to my friends predicting that there are going to be people who hate on it just because its popular and they want to hate on it for the sake of hating on it. I couldn't imagine the movie being bad going into it.
Then I saw it.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 11:43 am to Antonio Moss
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Imagine in the most critical film of the Avengers plot line, Captain America suddenly hates America and decides to quit the Avengers and the dies a billion miles away from the final climax of the film and Iron Man get 14 minutes of screen time, doesn’t affect the ending , and is basically the same character at the end as he was in the First Iron Man film. Instead, the majority of the film is dedicated to a new Avenger that is both extremely aggravating and utterly useless. Then at the end of film, this new Avenger - who has no value to the film - decides to stop Thor from sacrificing himself to save the rest of the team because of ... love.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 11:53 am to DustyDinkleman
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This is extremely evident by asking them to narrow down the reason these movies were so bad, but the only response given is “the whole thing was terrible.”
I never see any logical reasoning from any of these blow hards.
(1) The protagonist of the trilogy - Rey - doesn’t advance a single inch in the film. She is the same character as she was at the end of TFA. This is especially insulting as this is the middle of trilogy which serves as the path of growth for the protagonist. Think about Luke’s path in ESB.
(2) The main character of the saga - Luke - is completely rewritten and his motivations make absolutely no sense given the background of his character. Then, instead of being given a hero’s death, he opts to use a riskless hologram to trick, instead of defeat, the enemy.
(3) The driving force of the antagonist dies a useless death rendering his entire character irrelevant.
(4) The physics in the previous seven films is completely ignored in favor of a Deus Ex Machina for the destruction of antagonist ship. This is done for the sake of giving a brand new, unknown character a heroic death which makes no sense given the ability to preprogram ship paths and the use of droids.
(5) One of the main characters can suddenly resurrect themselves and fly in space because ... yeah, there is no way to justify it.
(6) The two other “main” characters have no story line.
And that’s just the major writing issues. It doesn’t even start with the screen time devoted to Rose, the whole Casino mess, the awkward scenes with Luke, the nonsensical burning of the Jedi text, etc.
It’s just a horrid film.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 12:12 pm to Dale Murphy
quote:Captain America being part of Hydra in regards to how Luke is treated
Can anyone put it into Marvel terms for me?
Black Widow having Captain Marvel super powers in regards to Leia
XMen 3 in regards to how it treats the source material and ruins the franchise
Bad guy has as much credibility as Topher Grace playing Venom
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:14 am to Chocolate Jesus
quote:It was so bad I fell asleep in the theater. TWICE!
I thought Captain Marvel was worse than any movie in the past 5 years and it did $1B.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:33 am to Dale Murphy
If the characters were not ones we already had a stake in and therefor were only introduced in the context of this movie and TFA?
It wouldn't be AS bad, but it'd still have some weird/cringe moments.
Rose's saving of Finn
The Casino scene
The Mary Poppins moment
The weird shirtless scene
Moments that would have worked better without an extended universe:
Holdo's sacrifice
Luke's sacrifice
Rey's force powers (more of their level)
I think TLJ if just being the second movie of a franchise and nothing else, would be a decent movie, maybe even a bit above average, but as part of the Star Wars universe it is bottom 3 (including animated movies, series, etc).
The great debate in the future will be what was the worst movie:
Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
The Last Jedi
Phantom Menace will always have the weight of expectation dragging it down.
Attack of the Clones has the main character a whiny, poorly acted manchild.
TLJ - see above.
It wouldn't be AS bad, but it'd still have some weird/cringe moments.
Rose's saving of Finn
The Casino scene
The Mary Poppins moment
The weird shirtless scene
Moments that would have worked better without an extended universe:
Holdo's sacrifice
Luke's sacrifice
Rey's force powers (more of their level)
I think TLJ if just being the second movie of a franchise and nothing else, would be a decent movie, maybe even a bit above average, but as part of the Star Wars universe it is bottom 3 (including animated movies, series, etc).
The great debate in the future will be what was the worst movie:
Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
The Last Jedi
Phantom Menace will always have the weight of expectation dragging it down.
Attack of the Clones has the main character a whiny, poorly acted manchild.
TLJ - see above.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:36 am to Antonio Moss
quote:
Imagine in the most critical film of the Avengers plot line, Captain America suddenly hates America and decides to quit the Avengers and the dies a billion miles away from the final climax of the film and Iron Man get 14 minutes of screen time, doesn’t affect the ending , and is basically the same character at the end as he was in the First Iron Man film. Instead, the majority of the film is dedicated to a new Avenger that is both extremely aggravating and utterly useless. Then at the end of film, this new Avenger - who has no value to the film - decides to stop Thor from sacrificing himself to save the rest of the team because of ... love.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:38 am to Dale Murphy
I thought it would have been pretty good if they cut out the trip to the casino, let Leia die when the bridge was hit, and let Finn sacrifice himself.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:39 am to TomyDingo
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The majority of Star Wars fans liked it
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