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Jeremy Jahns absolutely rips Disney over Star Wars, Bob Iger's comments RE: George Lucas
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:24 am
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:24 am
Whether you love him or hate him, George Lucas is the Father of Star Wars. His lack of talent in script writing is more than made up for by his vision. I feel like had he not been so micromanaging on the prequels they would have been better than what they turned out to be. At the end of the day, however, those three films feel more like Star Wars than anything we have gotten out of Disney yet (sans Rogue One).
I digress. Jeremy put out a video last night on the subject of Bob Iger's new book and the comments he made about George Lucas which lie therein. It's pretty obvious that he has lost all faith in Disney and their ability to make good Star Wars products. He basically says what all of us are feeling right now:
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I digress. Jeremy put out a video last night on the subject of Bob Iger's new book and the comments he made about George Lucas which lie therein. It's pretty obvious that he has lost all faith in Disney and their ability to make good Star Wars products. He basically says what all of us are feeling right now:
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Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:29 am to RollTide1987
Jahns is my go to for movie reviews.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 10:04 am to RollTide1987
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His lack of talent in script writing is more than made up for by his vision. I feel like had he not been so micromanaging on the prequels they would have been better than what they turned out to be.
While the script had significant problems, that acting of the most key role in the prequel is what absolutely killed it. Just terrible casting in both cases.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 10:12 am to RollTide1987
Pretty spot on. Initially, I really enjoyed "The Force Awakens" and was an apologist for it basically being a retread, but "The Last Jedi" retroactively made it a worse movie.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 10:14 am to Jester
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While the script had significant problems, that acting of the most key role in the prequel is what absolutely killed it. Just terrible casting in both cases.
Yeah, but was that entirely on them or was it the shitty dialogue and Lucas' direction?
Posted on 9/27/19 at 10:16 am to Jester
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While the script had significant problems, that acting of the most key role in the prequel is what absolutely killed it. Just terrible casting in both cases.
I agree. However, I feel like had Disney taken his ideas and ran with them, they could have written good scripts and made solid casting decisions that would have satisfied Lucas's vision while also being a big hit with the fans.
Instead...they ignored Lucas's stories completely, which is something apparently Lucas was promised wouldn't happen when he signed the rights over to Disney. Kathleen Kennedy lied to this man's face and I feel like that's tragic.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 10:59 am to RollTide1987
How can anyone not question the competency of Disney Lucasfilm?
They threw out George's trilogy outline, and said "frick it, we'll make it up as we go". Regardless of why the ignored George's story, how can you move forward without any road map on a planned trilogy?
First movie is an overly safe rehash to reconnect with the audience's nostalgia, then the second movie blows it up right in their face, and poisons the property.
They threw out George's trilogy outline, and said "frick it, we'll make it up as we go". Regardless of why the ignored George's story, how can you move forward without any road map on a planned trilogy?
First movie is an overly safe rehash to reconnect with the audience's nostalgia, then the second movie blows it up right in their face, and poisons the property.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 10:59 am to Sasquatch Smash
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Yeah, but was that entirely on them or was it the shitty dialogue and Lucas' direction?
The main problems with the prequels are:
1. Bad casting of Anakin. The part in TFM was clearly written for a teen, but they cast a 12 year-old (ETA he was 8) who has the acting chops of, well, a child. The Anakin of Episodes 2 and 3 wasn’t much better.
2. Truly awful dialogue. Outside of Anakin, most of the acting wasn’t bad, but the script was truly horrendous, especially in Episode 2.
3. Gaping plot hole with the creation of the clone army. Literally no Senators remembered voting to create one 10 years ago? Where was that money coming from? Who authorized it? Isn’t it just a little “convenient” that this massive clone army is ready to be delivered just in time to fight this sudden and unexpected civil war?
4. Jar Jar literally being too stupid to function. Dial the stupid back 15% and he’s a funny comic relief. They went full retard.
5. Over-reliance on CGI sets and characters in situations where conventional effects would have been easier. This is especially the case in Episodes 2 and 3. Entire rooms are fully CGI. Close up conversations with a Clone trooper that very easily could have been a dude in a costume are CGI. It didn’t age well and makes everything look like a videogame.
6. Bungled heel turn: Anakin goes from nervous good guy to massacring children in like 10 minutes. Leaving out him killing the kids and just saying that he will be taking care of their training from now on would have been way more believable.
7. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! This was so bad. The scene would have been more effective if he had said nothing, but rattled and destroyed everything with the force before settling down to serve his master.
This post was edited on 9/27/19 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 9/27/19 at 11:07 am to kingbob
Cool, man...we have listed everything wrong with the prequels ad nauseam, there is nothing new there or nothing with which I would wholly disagree.
Other than your math/estimate here:
Jake Loyd was 8 or so when they filmed the movie. A 12-year old would have been better.
But that was not the point of this thread or my comment.
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Also, this:
Phantom is spelled with a P.
Other than your math/estimate here:
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but they cast a 12 year-old who has the acting chops of, well, a 12 year-old.
Jake Loyd was 8 or so when they filmed the movie. A 12-year old would have been better.
But that was not the point of this thread or my comment.
Edit to add:
Also, this:
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TFM
Phantom is spelled with a P.
This post was edited on 9/27/19 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 9/27/19 at 11:11 am to Sasquatch Smash
It’s the f$&king Catalina Wine Menace!
Posted on 9/27/19 at 2:08 pm to kingbob
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This post was edited on 5/3/21 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 9/27/19 at 3:08 pm to Nobelium
It’s a plot hole because that’s f$&king stupid. The first half of AOTC is so good up until Padme and Annakin go to planet romance and Obi Wan finishes his fight with Jango.
The obvious revelation should have been, “whom ever ordered this army knew a civil war was coming 10 years ago. He must be behind both it and the assassination attempts!” Instead, they just shrug and go, “I guess this clone army is the good guys. Better go kill those separatists with it at their space coliseum!”
It’s just dumb and makes no sense, but at least Padme got to look hot in her “rescue” outfit on Geonosis.
It’s like waking up one morning to smelling food cooking in the kitchen, but you live alone. You grab your gun and start searching the house for clues of whomever broke into your house. When you get to the kitchen, your wife greets you good morning and asks you how you’d like your eggs? You don’t remember ever getting married nor have you seen this woman ever in your life, but rather than continue to search for more clues, you decide to roll with it because she’s hot and you’re hungry. Then, you’re shocked when she turns out to be evil and tries to kill you later.
That’s basically the plot to Star Wars 2 and 3.
The obvious revelation should have been, “whom ever ordered this army knew a civil war was coming 10 years ago. He must be behind both it and the assassination attempts!” Instead, they just shrug and go, “I guess this clone army is the good guys. Better go kill those separatists with it at their space coliseum!”
It’s just dumb and makes no sense, but at least Padme got to look hot in her “rescue” outfit on Geonosis.
It’s like waking up one morning to smelling food cooking in the kitchen, but you live alone. You grab your gun and start searching the house for clues of whomever broke into your house. When you get to the kitchen, your wife greets you good morning and asks you how you’d like your eggs? You don’t remember ever getting married nor have you seen this woman ever in your life, but rather than continue to search for more clues, you decide to roll with it because she’s hot and you’re hungry. Then, you’re shocked when she turns out to be evil and tries to kill you later.
That’s basically the plot to Star Wars 2 and 3.
This post was edited on 9/27/19 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 9/27/19 at 3:35 pm to RollTide1987
It honestly amazes me how so many supposedly smart, creative, and high powered people fricked up star wars.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 3:49 pm to kingbob
Palpatine masquerading as a Jedi ordered the clones. And had Court Dooku cover it up by "assassinating" his disguise and removing the records from the temple.
Yoda after Obi-wan sends the signal about em goes and gets the army.
Yoda in AotC mentions that palpatine's disguise guy saw the need. And I'm pretty sure the kamino admins mention that the army belongs to the Jedi.
Honestly kamino shows both how lazy, efficient, and arrogant Palpatine is when its all put together.
Yoda after Obi-wan sends the signal about em goes and gets the army.
Yoda in AotC mentions that palpatine's disguise guy saw the need. And I'm pretty sure the kamino admins mention that the army belongs to the Jedi.
Honestly kamino shows both how lazy, efficient, and arrogant Palpatine is when its all put together.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 3:54 pm to ZappBrannigan
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Palpatine masquerading as a Jedi ordered the clones. And had Court Dooku cover it up by "assassinating" his disguise and removing the records from the temple.
Sifo Dyas?
Posted on 9/27/19 at 4:03 pm to ZappBrannigan
No, it shows the jedi had some really shitty accounting to not notice enough money to fund the creation of a giant f$&king army was missing.
I mean, there’s what, 10k jedi? How could they have had the coin to commission an army of that magnitude let alone enough coin to still not notice that money missing. Clone armies complete with capital ships and assault vehicles doesn’t come cheap.
I mean, there’s what, 10k jedi? How could they have had the coin to commission an army of that magnitude let alone enough coin to still not notice that money missing. Clone armies complete with capital ships and assault vehicles doesn’t come cheap.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 4:12 pm to kingbob
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This post was edited on 5/3/21 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 9/27/19 at 4:23 pm to Nobelium
So members of a democratic republic decide they would prefer to secede and have the right to self-determination, and that is a bad thing? The jedi were shields of democracy and what the separatists were doing sounds a lot like democracy and the clone army a lot like tyranny.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 4:57 pm to kingbob
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No, it shows the jedi had some really shitty accounting to not notice enough money to fund the creation of a giant f$&king army was missing.
The clone army prior to it's reveal was funded by Plagueis's personal wealth, and the Sith also had resources to pull from the groups that made up the Confederacy.
Your point about the Jedi/Republic not looking into the source of the army is still true, but I guess ain't nobody got time for questions when power, lives, and the galaxy are at stake.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 5:43 pm to RollTide1987
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He basically says what all of us are feeling right now:
No, not really.
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