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re: Is Wonder Woman Actually That Good?
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:03 pm to LoveThatMoney
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:03 pm to LoveThatMoney
I think we can officially add to the list of movies you're not allowing to say anything negative about on the M/TV board. Its that good.
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Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:25 pm to LoveThatMoney
Yeah. It's that good.
Now, this isn't an A+ movie. I think it's an A-. That's how I would honestly score it.
But rest assured... this is not a "girl power" movie (unless you want it to be). This is a movie about a hero from outside our world who enters our world and tries to fix it.
She just happens to be a woman. That's all.
There's plenty of men in the cast, and I don't think any of them are there as a stooge for feminist propaganda.
People will see what they want to see in this movie, but from a reasonably objective viewpoint... there's not a lot on the screen to fuel feminism at the expense of alienating male viewers.
Now, this isn't an A+ movie. I think it's an A-. That's how I would honestly score it.
But rest assured... this is not a "girl power" movie (unless you want it to be). This is a movie about a hero from outside our world who enters our world and tries to fix it.
She just happens to be a woman. That's all.
There's plenty of men in the cast, and I don't think any of them are there as a stooge for feminist propaganda.
People will see what they want to see in this movie, but from a reasonably objective viewpoint... there's not a lot on the screen to fuel feminism at the expense of alienating male viewers.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:39 pm to OMLandshark
quote:wat
Guardians isn't exactly an origin story in my mind.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:42 pm to SpqrTiger
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. there's not a lot on the screen to fuel feminism at the expense of alienating male viewers
Good to know. I don't really care about the agenda (or lack thereof). I mostly just want to know if it's paced well, if the characters are rounded, if the plot is coherent and interesting, if the acting and directing are good, etc. From my understanding, the plot is mediocre because it is transparently the same as so many others, but it's paced well and the characters are fun.
Sounds like most people on here recommend it and have given decent reasons as to why.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:45 pm to ell_13
As I said, it kind of started at "The Avengers"-like point. They were off doing their own thing beforehand. They were all themselves well before the film begins. Iron Man, Captain America, the Hulk, Ant-Man, and Doctor Strange weren't. I guess you could make a case for Thor not counting by this definition, but Thor has a rapid fall from grace and isn't able to pick up the hammer until he beats his inner demons, so that's more his origin part.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:47 pm to Brosef Stalin
quote:The DC posters finally have a good one outside of Nolan's batman so they're going HAM on anything negative.
I think we can officially add to the list of movies you're not allowing to say anything negative about on the M/TV board.
Truth is, some parts were "dumb" but nothing that critical to making it a good/bad movie (e.i. how Trevor ends up in wonder woman world). And the villain isn't nearly what it could have been but I'm okay with not going balls to the walls in the origin story.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:50 pm to OMLandshark
quote:It's the origin of the group. The title of the movie is the guardians of the galaxy. None of the characters are who they start out to be. Quill is a ravager. Gamora is an assassin. Groot is a big tree. Drax is out for vengeance. Rocket is the only one that really is the same character from start to finish.
As I said, it kind of started at "The Avengers"-like point. They were off doing their own thing beforehand.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:55 pm to ell_13
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Quill is a ravager.
Well, he's pretty much still the same. He's just treacherous from the start. He had no intention of handing that Infinity Stone over to Yondu from the first time we see him.
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Gamora is an assassin.
She is still an assassin at the end, she's just not working for Thanos. The Guardians are really just mercenaries, so having an assassin isn't a bad one to have on your team.
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Groot is a big tree
OK
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Drax is out for vengeance.
And the guy he's out for vengeance is killed, and then he decides to continue his vengeance with Thanos, the guy Ronan was working for.
Aside from finding friendship and respect for one another, I don't see how any of them change all that much as people from start to finish.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:00 pm to ell_13
Yeah, it's good. It's one of those movies that's pretty fun to watch, and leaves you on a high so you initially might think "this is a top 5 super hero movie", but after you've come down off it it's more like "this is a top 10-15 super hero movie". It has some of the same problems other super hero movies have, but because the characters are likable and it's well paced and not a complete horror to watch (looking at you Man of Steel) you forget about those and focus on the good parts.
I'm glad I saw it in the theaters, but I'm not sure I would say it's necessary.
I'm glad I saw it in the theaters, but I'm not sure I would say it's necessary.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:02 pm to OMLandshark
quote:You're going to twist everyone to suit your argument even if everything you've said can be applied to every single origin character. Iron man. Batman. Etc.
Well, he's pretty much still the same. He's just treacherous from the start. He had no intention of handing that Infinity Stone over to Yondu from the first time we see him.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:35 pm to ell_13
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You're going to twist everyone to suit your argument even if everything you've said can be applied to every single origin character. Iron man. Batman. Etc.
It's not the same, IMO. There was no Batman at the start of Nolan's trilogy, and there was no Iron Man, Hulk, or Captain America at the start of the MCU. There already was a Starlord, Groot, Rocket, Gamora, and Drax. They just weren't friends yet.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:43 pm to LoveThatMoney
quote:It is. Not that it's 93% perfect, but you'd be hard pressed to see it and not enjoy it.
Is Wonder Woman Actually That Good?
They took a gamble with the setting (Wonder Woman's comic origin timeline has moved forward to the present day along with Superman and Batman. There was no need to set her origin one hundred years in the past), but it separates it from every other superhero origin film and allows Wonder Woman to come of age at a time when the supposed inferiority of women was without question.
It's the odd character and actress that everyone has embraced. Liberals love the feminist and pacifist warrior aspects while conservatives enjoy that Gadot herself is a former soldier and the character treats men as equals.
There's enough corn to keep it from appearing as a botched attempt to make superheroes real and there's enough character development and drama to make you care about the characters.
It's just a good mix and the best casting of a superhero since Christopher Reeve.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:49 pm to LoveThatMoney
It's a solid movie, and easily the best thing DC has been associated with yet. As anything with Snyder, you're going to have amazing visuals, but the plot was very mediocre. There was a lot of times where I thought to myself they just copied and pasted the first Captain America movie, honestly. You'll definitely enjoy it, but it's not this gift to cinema that many are making it out to be.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:56 pm to ohiovol
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There already was a Starlord,
Really?? Now that is funny! Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:01 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:Robert Downey J aka IronMan.
and the best casting of a superhero since Christopher Reeve.
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:03 pm to tubucoco
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Robert Downey aka IronMan.
And Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool. Hard to top these 2.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:03 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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It's just a good mix and the best casting of a superhero since Christopher Reeve
There is no fricking way Gadot is a better Wonder Woman than RDJ is Iron Man. No way.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:04 pm to LoveThatMoney
people are just getting sucked into the hype with this movie for some reason
i can't believe people are drooling over the visuals when there was a lot of shitty CGI and the fights weren't done well
i can't believe people are drooling over the visuals when there was a lot of shitty CGI and the fights weren't done well
Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:14 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Yep, I would agree with that, although, Tom Holland has a chance to be as good as these guys playing a young Spidey. We'll see next month!
Hard to top these 2.
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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can't believe people are drooling over the visuals when there was a lot of shitty CGI and the fights weren't done well
The CGI in the previews didn't look all that amazing, but I will forgive lackadaisical CGI for good story. The more I see about it, the more it appears overhyped, which hype is the product of finally having a good DCEU movie and having a good female led superhero movie.
Underneath the hype is a good, not great, movie that is probably worth seeing at least after it's out of theaters.
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