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re: Is The Dark Knight Rises Nolan's worst film as a director?
Posted on 3/14/18 at 9:23 pm to Freauxzen
Posted on 3/14/18 at 9:23 pm to Freauxzen
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TDKR is a legit bad movie,
I realize we all have opinions and everything but there are just some opinions that's clearly blasphemy and deservers to be ridiculed as such.
I realize that Rotten tomatoes gets a bad rap now these days but it has one of the most balanced scores ever with 90% audience score and 87% tomato meter.
The Dark Knight Rises is by no means perfect but it's light years beyond from anything that could be called trash.
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 9:25 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Well, it's either that or Batman Begins or The Dark Knight. I think we should stop considering them canon for this director.
Yeah, Batman Begins is pretty bad. I can enjoy TDK for what it is, but I never watched the Bane movie. Looked awful.
Plus, I don't really care for Christian Bale, particularly outside of American Psycho and The Prestige.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 9:26 pm to Sentrius
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The executives running the DCEU right now would kill for a film as good as that movie right now.
That's funny because it's almost certainly true.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 9:26 pm to Freauxzen
quote:Also, the marching down the street for the final battle was very Schumacher-ish.
stuff like the courtroom scene
Not to mention the whole supplying the ENTIRE police force with food, razors, shaving cream, and barbers.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 9:27 pm to Ace Midnight
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, Batman Begins is pretty bad.
Some of you people are going really out there with your best imitation of a movie snob and all of the hyperbole.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 9:27 pm to Green Chili Tiger
It's definitely my least favorite.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 9:33 pm to Sentrius
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I realize we all have opinions and everything but there are just some opinions that's clearly blasphemy and deservers to be ridiculed as such.
So then you really don't believe the first part right?
Blasphemy is a bit hyperbolic.
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I realize that Rotten tomatoes gets a bad rap now these days but it has one of the most balanced scores ever with 90% audience score and 87% tomato meter.
You don't think this has anything to do with 1) Nolan 2) Batman 3) Something better than Batman and Robin 4) The Closing of a Series that does have 2 great films preceding it 5) The allure of making comics "Real" ...?
Return of the Jedi gets an 80% and 94% FWIW, and that film also has some major flaws compared to its preceding films, and films in general but people overlook that because "Star Wars!" which is ok. That doesn't fix the film, or make it "good," it just makes people forgive it far more than they would normally. That's probably the best comparison.
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The Dark Knight Rises is by no means perfect but it's light years beyond from anything that could be called trash.
People aren't saying trash, that's like Epic Movie, but it is a below average film at best.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 9:56 pm to Freauxzen
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Yeah. By a significant margin too. It's off kilter in tone - the "courtroom" scene vs Bane in general, has a weak main villain and reveal, has too many illogical moments, and some terrible editing.
To be honest, if Heath Ledger had survived, I think that Talia would have still been the actual main antagonist of the third film. The atomic bomb plot would have made a whole lot more sense thematically on why Talia would want the Joker himself to blow up Gotham since he’s the complete embodiment of everything wrong with humanity and is a direct reaction to Batman’s presence that proves Ra’s al Ghul’s point about humanity at large.
But with Bane who is actually a member of the League of Shadows... why doesn’t he blow up Gotham like in like a week tops? Why is he waiting months? You can prove your point in that short timespan, which I think was the original plan with Joker. But since Heath Ledger is dead and he didn’t want Joker Light with the Riddler, you clearly have to go with Batman’s physical equal Bane to pull of any semblance of the planned plot... but he also has to break Batman’s back or fans will be pissed, so we’ve got to milk this out to 4 months to make it remotely believable... and we can’t have Harley without Mr J, so throw Catwoman in instead.
I’m almost certain Nolan’s plan initially was to have Joker, Talia, and Harley as the villains in The Dark Knight Rises, with Talia roughly playing the same role and Catwoman being substituted for Harley.
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 3/14/18 at 9:58 pm to OMLandshark
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But with Bane who is actually a member of the League of Shadows... why doesn’t he blow up Gotham like in like a week tops? Why is he waiting months? You can prove your point in that short timespan, which I think was the original plan with Joker. But since Heath Ledger is dead and he didn’t want Joker Light with the Riddler, you clearly have to go with Batman’s physical equal Bane to pull of any semblance of the planned plot... but he also has to break Batman’s back or fans will be pissed, so we’ve got to milk this out to 4 months to make it remotely believable... and we can’t have Harley without Mr J, so throw Catwoman in instead.
Somehow you just made the film worse
Posted on 3/14/18 at 10:07 pm to Sentrius
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The Dark Knight Rises is by no means perfect but it's light years beyond from anything that could be called trash.
The problem with the Dark Knight Rises is Heath Ledger is dead and is not in the movie. It’s all in all a good movie. Everyone (myself included) overglorify “The Dark Knight”. It’s competent and entertaining as frick, but it might be my favorite movie with the most plot holes. Think any of the Joker’s plans through. Unless he has total foresight, there’s no way his plans work. He has to know literally everything on the level of the Oracle from the Matrix for any of his plans to work.
People complain how he left the party, that’s the least of them. How did Joker plant that many bombs in a hospital in less than 4 hours notice? He could not have planned for half of Harvey’s face being burnt, for a guy who works with Batman to come forth, and then manipulated Harvey to go on a killing spree. But I don’t care, because Ledger’s performance is so mesmerizing and horrifying that I just accept it when I watch the movie.
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 3/14/18 at 10:27 pm to OMLandshark
There’s sometimes an indefinable element to a movie where you just say, “Eff all the plot holes, this movie is great.” Ledger’s Joker does make you just barrel through without questioning it like you said. Other movies, you’re not dazzled so much and you can stop and think, “No effing way.” TDKR, while still enjoyable, falls into that category. I don’t know if it was simply because we had already seen two Nolan Batmovies and were more likely to put the third one under a microscope or it just didn’t engage us like the other two to the point where we wouldn’t question things.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 10:28 pm to OMLandshark
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The problem with the Dark Knight Rises is Heath Ledger is dead and is not in the movie. It’s all in all a good movie. Everyone (myself included) overglorify “The Dark Knight”. It’s competent and entertaining as frick, but it might be my favorite movie with the most plot holes.
You could say that about any superhero film though. I always get a chuckle at how much this board criticizes the shite out of TDKR, yet something like an MCU film gets a pass. Plot holes in a Marvel film? who cares, it's just marvel being marvel. And I'm not directing this at you as I'm sure you agree with me.
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 3/14/18 at 10:42 pm to Freauxzen
And is it just me, or does Bale have his mouth hanging open like Cletus the slack-jawed yokel virtually every time he it showed him in the cowl?
Posted on 3/14/18 at 10:56 pm to OMLandshark
I have no doubt Nolan intended The Joker to be in the final movie.
My only gripe with the Nolan trilogy is that the timeline covered 8-10 years and Bruce Wayne is Batman for like 6 months total throughout all of that.
My only gripe with the Nolan trilogy is that the timeline covered 8-10 years and Bruce Wayne is Batman for like 6 months total throughout all of that.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 10:58 pm to FairhopeTider
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My only gripe with the Nolan trilogy is that the timeline covered 8-10 years
Yeah, jumping ahead 8 years was pointless.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:00 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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And is it just me, or does Bale have his mouth hanging open like Cletus the slack-jawed yokel virtually every time he it showed him in the cowl?
I always noticed this too. I’m assuming he can’t breathe through his nose in the mask
Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:04 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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And is it just me, or does Bale have his mouth hanging open like Cletus the slack-jawed yokel virtually every time he it showed him in the cowl?
Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:07 pm to FairhopeTider
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My only gripe with the Nolan trilogy is that the timeline covered 8-10 years and Bruce Wayne is Batman for like 6 months total throughout all of that.
Well, since I’m a comic fan, I don’t have a problem with this knowing what Nolan is going for with inspiration with “The Dark Knight Returns”. But if I wasn’t I’d agree with you.
But as a comic fan, this makes me hate Batman V Superman even more. Really? You’re going to start with the end of Batman? frick off!
Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:14 pm to OMLandshark
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But as a comic fan, this makes me hate Batman V Superman even more. Really? You’re going to start with the end of Batman? frick off!
Thinking about how epic and awesome the Nolan trilogy was makes me angry when I think about the new DC movies. I don’t think we will ever see anything on that level ever again when it comes to superhero movies.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 6:09 am to Freauxzen
I thought I was the only person that didn't really care for TDKR
imo it's by far Nolan's worst film
imo it's by far Nolan's worst film
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