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re: If TDKR is "meh", will you admit it?
Posted on 5/2/12 at 6:39 pm to TheDarkestNight
Posted on 5/2/12 at 6:39 pm to TheDarkestNight
It didn't suck it just wasn't as good as people make it out to be.
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Posted on 5/2/12 at 6:44 pm to BilJ
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I think most who call TDK "meh" are usually just trying to get a reaction out of people.
compared to the hype people give it, I would say it is "meh". That doesn't mean it wasn't a well-made movie, but I don't agree with the hype.
The two biggest problems for me: Bale and the third act.
Bale: his voice as Batman is atrocious. Can't understand him, and I hope Bane is not the same. Otherwise dialogue between the two will be worthy of having sub-titles to know what's going on.
Third act: Main reason I have a problem with this is: no confrontation. There is no fight at the end. Batman doesn't have a showdown with the villain. He doesn't have a showdown with either of them. Instead, he watches as the people on the ferries defeat the Joker, and Two-faces' showdown is with gordon. Batman doesn't do shite.
That is the biggest weakness of the movie. And keeps it from being one of the "greatest" in my mind.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 7:10 pm to magildachunks
The showdown with Joker was the car chase with the Batpod and Joker shooting from the semi.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 7:15 pm to Brosef Stalin
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The showdown with Joker was the car chase with the Batpod and Joker shooting from the semi.
Which was halfway through the second act.
That's like saying the showdown in Die Hard is the "shoot the glass" scene.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 7:19 pm to magildachunks
Bale's Batvoice in BB was epic at times. He had that roaring intimidating voice every time he talked as the bat. He at least sound like a powerful dude those times. In the sequel he sounded too much like a squeaky New Englander. I hope Nolan told Bale to go back to the strong, powerful, intimidating voice.
Banes voice from the first full trailer sounded pretty good to me. He had kind of a venomous Eastern European sound to him. Now it just sounds like a British guy talking while slightly muffled.
Banes voice from the first full trailer sounded pretty good to me. He had kind of a venomous Eastern European sound to him. Now it just sounds like a British guy talking while slightly muffled.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 7:25 pm to magildachunks
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Which was halfway through the second act. That's like saying the showdown in Die Hard is the "shoot the glass" scene
It's hard to have a one on one confrontation between those two because Joker is no match for Batman physically. I guess they could have done that scene closer to the end.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 8:31 pm to TheDarkestNight
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Bale's Batvoice ...In the sequel he sounded too much like a squeaky New Englander.
I've heard a lot of people whine about the voice in TDK, but never once have I heard that comparison. I have to ask...have you ever seen TDK?
Posted on 5/2/12 at 8:34 pm to magildachunks
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Main reason I have a problem with this is: no confrontation. There is no fight at the end. Batman doesn't have a showdown with the villain. He doesn't have a showdown with either of them.
So the fight scene he had with the Joker's goons, the SWAT guys, and the Joker himself in the unfinished skyscraper wasn't a confrontation?
And if you think he should have thrown down with Two-Face at the very end of the movie then you missed the entire point of that scene as well as the entire point of Harvey Dent's character arc.
In fact...you missed the whole point of the climax. The people refusing to blow each other up was an essential thematic question that the Joker was trying to get the people to answer. If pressed to the breaking point, would all of Gotham City snap?
This post was edited on 5/2/12 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 5/2/12 at 9:16 pm to RollTide1987
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In fact...you missed the whole point of the climax. The people refusing to blow each other up was an essential thematic question that the Joker was trying to get the people to answer. If pressed to the breaking point, would all of Gotham City snap?
I didn't miss it, it was just boring.
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And if you think he should have thrown down with Two-Face at the very end of the movie then you missed the entire point of that scene as well as the entire point of Harvey Dent's character arc.
I didn't miss any of these things. Again, just boring. And the two-face story line at the end was pointless and not needed. It added thirty minutes of screen time that was not needed.
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So the fight scene he had with the Joker's goons, the SWAT guys, and the Joker himself in the unfinished skyscraper wasn't a confrontation?
You need to understand what confrontation means in the aspect I'm talking about. Batman did not confront the Joker in the end. He allowed the Joker's game to play through. the people of Gotham confronted the Joker.
Batman was mostly a secondary character in TDK.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 9:22 pm to magildachunks
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You need to understand what confrontation means in the aspect I'm talking about. Batman did not confront the Joker in the end. He allowed the Joker's game to play through. the people of Gotham confronted the Joker.
Batman was mostly a secondary character in TDK.
ok.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 9:22 pm to magildachunks
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Bale: his voice as Batman is atrocious. Can't understand him,
Better than an identical voice that would be easily reconized. They tried to hide the voice, I dont know why this bothers everybody. Damned if you do, damned if you dont I guess.
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Main reason I have a problem with this is: no confrontation.
Some could write it off that the entire jail scene/post jail scene mind games were the confrontation. No they werent in a physical fight the whole time but they were still going at it.
Not hating on you for that last part, just a possible pov.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 9:36 pm to DanglingFury
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I've heard a lot of people whine about the voice in TDK, but never once have I heard that comparison. I have to ask...have you ever seen TDK?
Yes. Saw it twice in it's first weekend and have watched it at least 50% of it a dozen times since.
Have YOU ever seen TDK?
Posted on 5/2/12 at 9:38 pm to TheDarkestNight
I wanna physically fight you.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 9:38 pm to magildachunks
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I didn't miss any of these things. Again, just boring. And the two-face story line at the end was pointless and not needed. It added thirty minutes of screen time that was not needed.
Are you serious? Seriously, are mentally retarded? If you can't see the roles - yes roles - that Dent and his character played in this movie, then you need to either go watch it again until you understand it or try coloring books. Stay in the lines.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 9:40 pm to TheDarkestNight
...but magilda is worse than you.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 10:04 pm to DanglingFury
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You need to understand what confrontation means in the aspect I'm talking about. Batman did not confront the Joker in the end. He allowed the Joker's game to play through. the people of Gotham confronted the Joker.
Batman was mostly a secondary character in TDK.
ok.
Just to prove I'm not the only one who thinks this, I'll post this from a blog (I know, it's a blog. But this is a message board and his opinion's just as valid as yours).
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A good villain should be a step or two ahead of the hero throughout the movie. It keeps it exciting, and you want the hero to be challenged. But at some point there should be a scene where there hero turns it around and ends up getting ahead of the villain and outsmarting him once and for all in the endgame. This never really happens. The only “victory” Batman gets is when the two boats don’t blow up, which happens out of dumb luck. It could have easily gone the other way. Batman didn’t actually save those people, they saved themselves, no thanks to him.
He spends the whole movie jumping through the Joker’s hoops, and even when he physically defeats him, it still seems like part of Joker’s plan. Then he sends Batman to chase after Harvey Dent, showing Batman that he corrupted someone thought to be uncorruptible. Chalk up another victory to the Joker, and another instance where Batman is two steps behind the Joker.
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From NY Magazine:
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From the beginning of The Dark Knight, Christian Bale’s Bruce Wayne/Batman is only the fifth- or sixth-most-interesting character in his own movie. (The Joker, Harvey Dent, Gordon, Rachel Dawes, and even Alfred the butler are more intriguing onscreen than Batman.) Sure, it’s not uncommon for criminals and supporting characters to be flashier than the superhero in a comic-book movie. It is uncommon, though, for the hero to serve as Batman does in The Dark Knight as little more than a patsy: just one of Gotham’s wind-up toys, serving only to be set in motion by the Joker and sent into yet another trap. Unlike in most superhero movies, Batman isn’t two steps ahead of the criminals, or even of us; instead, he’s constantly behind, until even the audience can see the plots developing, and Batman’s investigations making things worse.And so throughout The Dark Knight, Batman himself is further and further marginalized, made more and more impotent. Batman can’t stop the violence, can’t crack the case, and his inability to comprehend the pure malevolent chaos that the Joker represents costs dozens of Gotham residents their lives. In so exhilaratingly illustrating the expression of that pure chaos , and in the dire straits it eventually puts our so-called hero in, The Dark Knight can be read as a philosophical argument against superheroes in a complicated world.
I still think TDK is a good movie. Just not the 'greatest' comic movie ever.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 10:05 pm to magildachunks
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I didn't miss any of these things. Again, just boring. And the two-face story line at the end was pointless and not needed. It added thirty minutes of screen time that was not needed.
I think you did, the fall of Harvey Dent was the driving force of the film. Dent was the only hope Gotham had left. I thought it was pretty clear throughout the two films that the presence of Batman is making Gotham worse.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 10:07 pm to TheCaterpillar
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but I thought Batman Begins was better than TDK
Posted on 5/2/12 at 10:08 pm to magildachunks
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The only “victory” Batman gets is when the two boats don’t blow up, which happens out of dumb luck. It could have easily gone the other way. Batman didn’t actually save those people, they saved themselves, no thanks to him.
This train of thought completely ignores the Joker's threat to blow both of the boats up if one of the boat's didn't blow the other up.
So basically the blogger ignored the reality to try to make his point
Posted on 5/2/12 at 10:09 pm to CP3LSU25
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but I thought Batman Begins was better than TDK
i agree with them. i thought it was too, but i thought i was one of few. glad to see i have a few others who agree.
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