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re: I want to gripe some more about Endgame, especially the ending
Posted on 3/22/21 at 5:48 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Posted on 3/22/21 at 5:48 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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Would have been a cool subversion of expectations if, right as the audience thinks Tony Stark is about to die, Carol comes up and says “Want me to do that? I’m kinda just as strong as Banner. I should be able to handle it.” And Starks like “would you please?”
Yes, by all means make the indestructible Mary Sue the ultimate hero. Nevermind the fact that she's the least relatable character, and most disliked actress, in the MCU. She totally deserved that honor, I mean she did appear in her own origin story and literally nothing else throughout the entire series before Endgame.
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Posted on 3/22/21 at 5:52 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Yes, by all means make the indestructible Mary Sue the ultimate hero. Nevermind the fact that she's the least relatable character, and most disliked actress, in the MCU. She totally deserved that honor, I mean she did appear in her own origin story and literally nothing else throughout the entire series before Endgame.
My point being that if she played a more integral role in Endgame, it would have made up for a lack of character development in her origin movie. (That origin movie needed to be much better.)
Why else make her the focus of the stinger for Infinity War? Fury’s one last call before he got snapped was to Carol Denvers. My point is that if she were integral to the battle in a way no other member could have been, it would have made Fury paging her make sense.
This post was edited on 3/22/21 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 3/22/21 at 6:10 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Isn’t it more ridiculous that the whole complicated plan forward was dictated because of Iron Man’s daughter?
Posted on 3/22/21 at 6:16 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Isn’t it more ridiculous that the whole complicated plan forward was dictated because of Iron Man’s daughter?
Everyone’s motivations in Endgame are just a little too convenient. I know that RDJ was well on his way out and they had to finish up with back to back Avengers movies, but the ramifications of the snap and the build up to Endgame should have been explored in an entire phase of movies.
For example, they really hand wave Tony inventing time travel.
Instead, I could have watched an entire Disney+ miniseries on Tony Stark attempting and coming up short on the means to invent time travel.
When Scott shows up in Endgame, it would have been like “Oh, Pym Particles. Tony has the final piece to the puzzle.”
This post was edited on 3/22/21 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 3/22/21 at 6:19 pm to UndercoverBryologist
I am just saying the whole thing is kind of crazy just so his daughter doesn’t disappear.
Preventing the snap itself would have been the less damaging.
Just on the team Natasha dies and Scott loses his daughters childhood. Same things probably happened all over the world.
Preventing the snap itself would have been the less damaging.
Just on the team Natasha dies and Scott loses his daughters childhood. Same things probably happened all over the world.
This post was edited on 3/22/21 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 3/22/21 at 8:12 pm to TideSaint
Infinity War was incredible, but it sort of backed itself into a corner by allowing the snap. Once the snap happened and Thanks was left triumphant, there was really no way to undo it aside from time travel. And time travel stories are always a mess.
Posted on 3/22/21 at 8:25 pm to biglego
ZS Justice League>Endgame
Posted on 3/22/21 at 8:47 pm to OMLandshark
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I’d say the more major factor was Antman getting released from the Quantum World than what Tony did. The way he’s released, that’s not very likely to happen.
The hero of the MCU is a rodent. Very subtle Disney.
Posted on 3/22/21 at 9:18 pm to TideSaint
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How in the hell are we supposed to believe the ONLY way they won in over 14 million tries was for Tony to snap his fingers in that instant?
Because it was all a day dream from Captain America.
Think about it. After Infinity War, if Cap had to imagine what the perfect ending could be, it would be Endgame. Reverse the snap. Go back in time to spend a life with Peggy. Iron Man goes out the hero. Falcon becomes the next Captain America.
Posted on 3/22/21 at 9:41 pm to Patfic15
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ZS Justice League>Endgame
Amazingly, I might agree with you. I hate time travel stories so Endgame didn’t resonate.
Posted on 3/22/21 at 9:55 pm to StringedInstruments
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Think about it. After Infinity War, if Cap had to imagine what the perfect ending could be, it would be Endgame. Reverse the snap. Go back in time to spend a life with Peggy. Iron Man goes out the hero. Falcon becomes the next Captain America.
Kind of a dick to kill of Natasha then
Posted on 3/22/21 at 10:16 pm to biglego
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Infinity War was incredible, but it sort of backed itself into a corner by allowing the snap. Once the snap happened and Thanks was left triumphant, there was really no way to undo it aside from time travel. And time travel stories are always a mess.
Shouldve just introduced the multiverse in Avengers Endgame and not use time travel.
Wouldve been way more interesting to have the Avengers go to a Earth where the Avengers are villains, another where Hydra succeeded in Winter Soldier etc like that 'Sliders' TV show than to do the simple time travel but they wouldnt listen to me.
This post was edited on 3/22/21 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:03 am to TideSaint
I was hoping for Red Hulk to make an appearance.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 4:49 am to TideSaint
Inconsistency and coincidental convenience. Welcome to the comic genre. You have to watch these movies as if you’re a kid watching Saturday morning cartoons. Grab a bowl of cereal and just enjoy the spectacle.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 7:43 am to abellsujr
I mean, you can nit pick and come up with other ways it could have worked, but basically they built in a "that didn't work" with Dr. Strange. You say Carol should have gone to the moon? In that version Thanos ends up kicking everyone's arse and gets them anyway. You can come up with a 14 million ways to do things, but the one we got was the only one with a victory.
So basically, don't worry about it and just enjoy the ride. Endgame wasn't a perfect movie, but it may have been a perfect capstone to the Infinity Saga.
So basically, don't worry about it and just enjoy the ride. Endgame wasn't a perfect movie, but it may have been a perfect capstone to the Infinity Saga.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 10:21 am to TigerNutwhack
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You say Carol should have gone to the moon? In that version Thanos ends up kicking everyone's arse and gets them anyway.
How would he get to the moon?
His ship was destroyed.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 10:25 am to TideSaint
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How would he get to the moon?
His ship was destroyed.
He wins the battle and forces NASA to build a rocket that will take him to the Moon.
The point being that the writers came up with a hand wavey explanation by having Strange say that this is the 1/14 million scenario that results in victory. So, presumably almost every scenario results in Thanos somehow winning.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 10:27 am to saintsfan22
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Why couldn't Cap, Iron Man, and Thor with Mjolnir and Stormbreaker beat Thanos when he had no stones?
Thanos in an incredibly smart fighter who was able to duck and dodge until he could start picking them off one by one.
The WORST part to me is that Tony Stark’s greatest suit ever missed a clear headshot:
It’s like the animators were building this awesome fight shot and then they realized a few frames before Tony shot “oh shite, he’s totally about to kill him here!”
“Just have him miss for no reason” lol
Posted on 3/23/21 at 11:02 am to UndercoverBryologist
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He wins the battle and forces NASA to build a rocket that will take him to the Moon.
The point being that the writers came up with a hand wavey explanation by having Strange say that this is the 1/14 million scenario that results in victory. So, presumably almost every scenario results in Thanos somehow winning.
There were also still plenty of his smaller ships and leviathans flying around. Point is, it doesn't matter what scenario we as fans come up with, the writers blocked it off. So there's really no point in coming up with different ways they could have won, plot dictated that it would have failed.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 11:14 am to TideSaint
I just feel like Hulk could have easily rolled all the wishes into one snap.
"Dear infinity stones and gauntlet... bring everyone back.... but also make Thanos disappear"
"Dear infinity stones and gauntlet... bring everyone back.... but also make Thanos disappear"
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