re: I remember when the M/TV board was one of the last bastions to avoid all the political BS

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Do they talk a lot of politics on the food, soccer and tech boards?

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To be honest, I have no clue. I've never been on the food or tech boards for more than a second and the soccer board not much longer than that. I'd guess that it pops up on those boards some like it seems to do everywhere else.

Now you know how some of us feel about kneeling and the anthem

Why bring that garbage into a place its not welcomed?

We wouldn't be having all these problems if Saban was still here.

The fact that the hardcore Poli Board lefties have flooded onto this board to defend Star Wars, tells you all you need to know about their acknowledgement of the narrative.

Sure.

Aggies love them some social justice.

But hey, live your bliss, zer

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I said that when complaints of Rey happened, and when Jen was cast, however, it does seem with TLJ, that it might have been intentional. TLJ proceeded to make completely inept Male characters throughout. Just look at the them:

Kylo - Just a temper tantrum throwing man child
Hux - inept military leader who makes tons of errors
Finn - comedic relief, Saved by a woman
Poe - Scolded throughout the film for awful decisions, Slapped by a woman
First Order - Mainly male
Benicio - Backstabbing male
Luke - Hopeless Male
Ackbar - Dead Male

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Pretty much this. And debatably worse than that. It wasn't even a well-crafted story if you ignored the subtext.

There have been well made movies like Thelma and Louise in which there were no admirable male protagonists. But that was a well told story aimed at adults. And this is an iconic franchise primarily aimed at children.

Anyone who has male children or cares about the male children of others ought to at least consider what this kind of stuff means in a social setting. We are really being regularly inundated by the message that men are the problem and women are the solution. This isn't equality feminism, the advancement of liberty by extending respect to others, or the promotion of a moral outlook on the world. At some point you have to take a step backwards and realize this is simple misandry and especially doesn't have a place in entertainment aimed at children.

You see what you want to see. This is a bunch of people bitching because it isn't what they thought it should've been. Y'all don't like it. That's fine. Next time, put up your own $4 billion and make it how you want to make it.

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I think we've lost the "wonder" of films, that adventurous spirit to just be taken to some other place, some other time. That's why I think true adventure films either just flat out aren't made, or are unrecognized (John Carter). Indiana Jones, The Explorers, The Goonies these types of films at the apex of film wonderment in the 80s, just couldn't be made today. (ETA: I do think that THIS is precisely why MCU films are well received by the public. By being both apolitical and as close to an adventure film as we get, while they aren't perfect, they capture a sense of excitement and wonder that 99% of modern films just totally whiff on partially because of needing to "make a statement." This makes them "simple" in the eyes of some, but go back to the 80's blockbusters and point to the grand meaning behind The Goonies, Commando, Rad, The Last Starfighter, etc.)

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And yet again, Freauxzen just gets it.

I would kill for these types of films to make a comeback. And they will one day. I just wish it would happen soon.

Oh and while you did remember to include John Carter and the Explorers in that post you did forget one of the best adventure films released in the last decade.

Not quite sure I buy the Last Jedi as a demonization of men.

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Kylo - Just a temper tantrum throwing man child

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Which is what he was in Force Awakens. He also is the most interesting character in the movie and has as much agency as anyone in the film.

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Poe - Scolded throughout the film for awful decisions 

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His decisions were pretty awful and rash, but that doesnt mean he is awful. He is the guy dedicated to the Resistance and who recognizes what Luke is doing and leads the resistance out of the cave.

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Luke - Hopeless Male 

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This seems more like disappointment in where he is than anything else. This is not the badass, master Luke most would have wanted to see. But he is not hopeless. Complaining about the choice to make him disillusioned is one thing- I find it interesting, even if I would have loved to see him be the Luke we remember.

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Ackbar - Dead Male 

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I mean who cares? I love Ackbar memes. But this is a character with about 5 minutes of screen time in the series. This is the pinnacle of 40years of nostalgia coloring judgement


If anything, female characters (Rey, Rose, Laura Dern) fall a little flat for me more often than not.

And i don't see Rose stopping Finn from sacrificing himself as a slight on male power or whatever. I like his arc over the two films, even if it drags on too long and is heavy handed. I do hope they give him something more vital to do in IX now that he may actually have a purpose.

This movie cleared the decks in a big way and with Carrie Fishers death, it will be interesting to see where they go