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I remember when the M/TV board was one of the last bastions to avoid all the political BS
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:42 pm
This used to be one the places on TD where all the political back and forth took a backseat to people actually talking about movies and television.
Nothing good lasts forever I guess.
Nothing good lasts forever I guess.
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:43 pm to Methuselah
the bleeding heart commie loving libs had to ruin it
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:44 pm to Methuselah
Thanks Disney
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:45 pm to Methuselah
It’s still the best board in terms of content and self policing.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:46 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Thanks Disney
If by Disney you mean a handful of posters, sure. It's not limited to the Disney stuff either.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:47 pm to Methuselah
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This used to be one the places on TD where all the political back and forth took a backseat to people actually talking about movies and television.
Nothing good lasts forever I guess.
Eh, there's always been a difference between movies that talk about politics.....and inserting politics into everything regardless of purpose.
And this goes to both sides. It is unfortunate and depressing that you can't avoid political statements regardless of what you do, what you decide entertains you, etc.
I wish simply buying a product wasn't a political statement, but it's slowly turning into that.
We do a good job of avoiding it as a board honestly, Hollywood, in general, doesn't.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:50 pm to Methuselah
It will calm down in a few days. We just had a Maoist come onto something we love and tell us she's morally correct, despite dooming and killing everyone on all sides.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:52 pm to OMLandshark
It will pick back up when the Oscar nominations are announced.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:53 pm to Methuselah
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I remember when the M/TV board was one of the last bastions to avoid all the political BS
They’re just responding to politics with politics. It’s reactionary effect, not the cause.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:56 pm to Brosef Stalin
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It will pick back up when the Oscar nominations are announced.
Detroit went down the tubes. If Lady Bird is their liberal pick... then that's fine. That's a great movie that knows what it is and doesn't deceive the audience. I don't see what will be THAT movie this year.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:59 pm to Methuselah
And yet here we are in a M/TV thread about politics...
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:11 pm to Freauxzen
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And this goes to both sides
Yeah. I don't dispute that. On TD it tends to go to one side just because of the nature of the members here. But overall, both sides tend to let it color their judgment of things that should be judged as art.
It's like if people would say "Man, the Godfather is horrible because it promotes crime and violence." (and yes, I'm pretty sure there were people who said that but there were a whole lot more who just judged it on it's artistic merits).
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:13 pm to Methuselah
Bunch of grown men embarrassing themselves over a Star Wars movie.
I like it.
I like it.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:28 pm to Methuselah
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Yeah. I don't dispute that. On TD it tends to go to one side just because of the nature of the members here. But overall, both sides tend to let it color their judgment of things that should be judged as art.
Agreed.
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It's like if people would say "Man, the Godfather is horrible because it promotes crime and violence." (and yes, I'm pretty sure there were people who said that but there were a whole lot more who just judged it on it's artistic merits).
Sort of disagree. The issue with politics is how we wield them in interactions. Films will ultimately make political statements almost universally. I'm not going to agree with that statement, but there are some problematics readings of Godfather, the glorification and romanticization of violence and mafia life being one.
But when we talk about the Godfather it's a reading of a film that isn't taking a stance, it's exploring a subject that just happens to have these topics embedded in it. While I'd say it does glorify violence, that certainly isn't the point of the film.
On the other hand, Ghostbusters 2016 was very much a gendered political statement first and foremost. And these types of films are more and more common, and they are more mainstream as well. Marketed as crowd pleasers disguised as political essays, even with something as inane as Ghostbusters.
Sure, we get our Dunkirks, Green Rooms, and big budget films like the MCU that actually are apolitical (strange for Disney to do that), but the ones that are are either very loud about it, or very obvious about it. And that automatically puts people on the defensive from the outset, art becomes untrustworthy as a simple experience as people make sure they aren't being duped or programmed.
This is part of the critique of the jaded society that just can't have a completely naive and open experience. And because it can't be an open, naive experience, neither can the critique honestly.
I think we've lost the "wonder" of films, that adventurous spirit to just be taken to some other place, some other time. That's why I think true adventure films either just flat out aren't made, or are unrecognized (John Carter). Indiana Jones, The Explorers, The Goonies these types of films at the apex of film wonderment in the 80s, just couldn't be made today. (ETA: I do think that THIS is precisely why MCU films are well received by the public. By being both apolitical and as close to an adventure film as we get, while they aren't perfect, they capture a sense of excitement and wonder that 99% of modern films just totally whiff on partially because of needing to "make a statement." This makes them "simple" in the eyes of some, but go back to the 80's blockbusters and point to the grand meaning behind The Goonies, Commando, Rad, The Last Starfighter, etc.)
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:38 pm to Methuselah
The main gripes about the movie that has taken over the board lately has very little to do with politics. I don’t agree with Dranconian Sanctions on the political spectrum but we both agree that the movie fell way flat and had a bunch of issues. And I’m sure there are people who side with me politically who loved the movie.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:41 pm to Freauxzen
You make some good points. Honestly, I never saw the Ghostbuster remake because I just had no interest in seeing it.
I think a political/social point of view has always been inherent in entertainment to an extent. But it seems like people used to be able to enjoy a movie for what it is. I mean, the John Wayne type westerns were all "Indians evil savages, White Man just trying to make a living farming" and Pocahontas was all like "Indians noble and one with nature and White Man evil greedy bastards", and yet I could enjoy both and most other people seemed to be able to also. I could enjoy both Casablanca and Das Boot though they were told from very different points of view.
Now it seems like the first place people go is to the politics/social aspects of movies and television shows.
I think a political/social point of view has always been inherent in entertainment to an extent. But it seems like people used to be able to enjoy a movie for what it is. I mean, the John Wayne type westerns were all "Indians evil savages, White Man just trying to make a living farming" and Pocahontas was all like "Indians noble and one with nature and White Man evil greedy bastards", and yet I could enjoy both and most other people seemed to be able to also. I could enjoy both Casablanca and Das Boot though they were told from very different points of view.
Now it seems like the first place people go is to the politics/social aspects of movies and television shows.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:44 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Bunch of grown men embarrassing themselves over a Star Wars movie.
I like it.
I said that when complaints of Rey happened, and when Jen was cast, however, it does seem with TLJ, that it might have been intentional. TLJ proceeded to make completely inept Male characters throughout. Just look at the them:
Kylo - Just a temper tantrum throwing man child
Hux - inept military leader who makes tons of errors
Finn - comedic relief, Saved by a woman
Poe - Scolded throughout the film for awful decisions, Slapped by a woman
First Order - Mainly male
Benicio - Backstabbing male
Luke - Hopeless Male
Ackbar - Dead Male
Maybe I am wrong, but BB8 saves more people than any Rebel males combined. There isn't a single male icon in the films that a boy could look up to and say "I want to be that guy!" A lot of the "celebration" of Rey is that girls have someone to look up to...well, what about boys? Why is every male character inept, comedic relief, or a disaster?
Again, I hate to read this kind of stuff into it, but they kind of threw it in my face with no redeemable male character. It was too obvious.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:50 pm to Freauxzen
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I think we've lost the "wonder" of films, that adventurous spirit to just be taken to some other place, some other time.
Avatar tried to do this and still include a hamfisted political message. I think it mostly succeeded in world building and capturing that sense of adventure but the political bs really hurt the movie.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:51 pm to Methuselah
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I think a political/social point of view has always been inherent in entertainment to an extent. But it seems like people used to be able to enjoy a movie for what it is. I mean, the John Wayne type westerns were all "Indians evil savages, White Man just trying to make a living farming" and Pocahontas was all like "Indians noble and one with nature and White Man evil greedy bastards", and yet I could enjoy both and most other people seemed to be able to also. I could enjoy both Casablanca and Das Boot though they were told from very different points of view.
Now it seems like the first place people go is to the politics/social aspects of movies and television shows.
There is blame on both sides, not just the viewer. I think artists either aren't as deft at creating thoughtful films that handle politics deftly, or just don't want to.
Plus, to be honest, the goal of Cultural Marxism - again not to bring this level of politics into it - is to build political meaning and subtext into everything. That everything can be read in every way - mostly concerning class, gender, or identity politics. That nearly all creation was an examination of some politicized human condition This has been going on for 4 decades. I sat in rooms when people tried to "read Huckleberry Finn as a homosexual text on Jim and Huck," or read The Wizard of Oz as a homosexual awakening, a story actually about a gay man coming into his own, and a whole plethora of things that would make you go crazy. People are correct when they say it sstarted in academia. But it used to be that those crazies would read completely innocent art as such, now, they are creating the art to be those things overtly.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:57 pm to Methuselah
Do they talk a lot of politics on the food, soccer and tech boards?
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