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How did Disney approve The Last Jedi's Script?

Posted on 11/25/19 at 2:42 pm
Posted by Buzz Killington
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 11/25/19 at 2:42 pm
Whether you like the TFA or not, JJ did have some interesting things set up such as: The Knights of Ren, Rey's parents, and Snoke.

But then Rian Johnson comes along and does nothing with it. Who are the Knights of Ren? Rey's parents are some junkers or some shite. Snoke is dead in the most anticlimactic way possible. There was no character progression and it did not set up any excitement for TROS. It's like he just wanted to subvert expectations, without realizing that doesn't necessarily make it a good movie. Disney obviously had not planned the trilogy out logically.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103135 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 2:48 pm to
Hence why I say the conflict in TLJ was Rian vs proper script writing.

Just about everything possible that could have been done to subvert the existing SW universe was done, much of it apparently for shits and giggles.

You know, ignoring that Lucas based A New Hope off Joseph Campbell’s “Hero’s Journey” to where there was a cycle that would start with the hero in one place then end with them in a similar place but profoundly changed by the events of the film.
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 2:52 pm to
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How did Disney approve The Last Jedi's Script?


1. Diversity? Check.

Yup, we are good to go. Greenlight it!

quote:

Whether you like the TFA or not, JJ did have some interesting things set up such as: The Knights of Ren, Rey's parents, and Snoke.



Posted by Nodust
Member since Aug 2010
22764 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 2:54 pm to
TFA was a good start to the trilogy. Last Jedi ruined anything it started.

After finishing Rebels I hate TLJ even more. A cartoon was 1 million times better.
Posted by Bluefin
The Banana Stand
Member since Apr 2011
13447 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:00 pm to
Disney Exec: "Rian, it says here that you'll have bombers dropping bombs in space?"

Rian: "That's correct."

Disney Exec: "But how can you drop bombs in space?"

Rian: "... The girl who drops the bombs is Asian."

Disney: "Well obviously we can't make a change there. Good luck, Rian."
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
88052 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:11 pm to
It was a pretty bad script, which is sad bc Lopper and a Brock were both pretty well written for the most part.
Posted by GeauxTigersGo
Member since Dec 2009
1894 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:12 pm to
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subvert expectations


This is like the most over used phrase this year. wow
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
54040 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:20 pm to
Considering Disney made all their money back on their investment from the Force Awakens and as popular as that movie was I guess they thought they could just mail it in.

Rogue One was pretty good too so they thought those movies would do well also.

Then comes the Last Jedi and the backlash was really bad. Captain Phasma was a joke. Rose was horrible. Leia died in real life. Luke's role was embarrassing to the franchise.

Then here comes Solo - rewrites, new director Ron Howard had to come in and try and save it. That movie was a disaster and it really ruined a back story for one of the most iconic characters in the Star Wars saga. Solo would have been a perfect launch of Disney + as a series.

Now they have to find a way to salvage the ending of the entire Skywalker saga, we shall see if they can pull it off.

Then they will take a long hiatus from films.

At least the Mandalorian has somewhat saved them on Disney + with Baby Yoda. Maybe some of the standalone films would work a lot better on Disney + and they could do some series of origin stories, etc. in lieu of big feature films to get back in good grace with all the Star Wars nerds.
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
12805 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:25 pm to
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subvert expectations


Were your expectations that it wouldn't be a steaming pile of shite? Well, we subverted the hell out of that.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
Chair
Member since Nov 2012
10201 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:28 pm to
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Disney Exec: "Rian, it says here that you'll have bombers dropping bombs in space?"


I'm not much of a SW nerd, but didn't they drop bombs on the asteroids in ESB?
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
10842 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:34 pm to
Lawrence Kasdan, who wrote ESB, wrote The Force Awakens.

Say what you will, but it just worked. It was a homage to ANH, not a rip off
This post was edited on 11/25/19 at 3:36 pm
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
10842 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:45 pm to
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Then here comes Solo - rewrites, new director Ron Howard had to come in and try and save it.

Solo was actually pretty good but suffered from following TLJ. Die hard SW fans sat it out and casual fans didn’t care to see it.

The writing wasn’t the problem. Lawrence Kasdan, writer of ESB and TFA wrote Solo.
This post was edited on 11/25/19 at 3:46 pm
Posted by MF Doom
I'm only Joshin'
Member since Oct 2008
11753 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:48 pm to
The bigger question is how did Disney not have an outline for the trilogy?
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42120 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:54 pm to
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but didn't they drop bombs on the asteroids in ESB?


I don't know why people are so up in arms over dropping bombs in space. When 95% of the stuff they do in space in the movie is impossible. Short list...Sound, explosions with fire, banking with spacecrafts. I love how when they are inside of a space ship, they can hear the battle outside.

BUT OH NO.....DON'T DROP BOMBS IN SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
41017 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:57 pm to
Subvert expectations is the new "popcorn flick" to deflect from calling something what it really is which is crap.
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29862 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 4:11 pm to
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Then here comes Solo - rewrites, new director Ron Howard had to come in and try and save it. That movie was a disaster and it really ruined a back story for one of the most iconic characters in the Star Wars saga.


Solo was actually pretty good. Go back and rewatch it. I think a lot of the initial reaction to hit were caused by the leaks predicting disaster.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
50902 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 4:13 pm to
You know where the Saga should end?

Return of the Jedi. Perfect ending.
Posted by The Godfather
Surrounded by Assholes
Member since Mar 2005
42451 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 4:16 pm to
Yay, we are still talking about this after two years
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
26761 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 4:29 pm to
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The bigger question is how did Disney not have an outline for the trilogy?




The short answer is that Kathleen Kennedy is a technician not a visionary.

Here is the long answer.

If you have a great idea and you need a producer to make sure everything goes according to schedule and that you have everything you need to make the movie... she's one of the best in history.

She is also about as creative as the stuff I fish out of my cat's litterbox. She is the worst sort of person to "guide" a film franchise you can possible have. You give her an idea and by golly she'll find a way to make it... whether it sucks or not.

Match her with a good script and someone with a clear vision for the product and you get stuff like "The Mandalorian". Match her with a bad script and poor execution you get "The Last Jedi." That last decade or so before she landed this gig she wasn't producing for Spielberg and Lucas and she had a string of bombs. She can't tell a good idea apart from a mound of badger turds.

Kathleen Kennedy is not the guy... err... gal you want running a franchise. She's the gal you want working for the person who is running the franchise. Kind of like a great coordinator who turns out to be complete dog mess as a head coach.

Someone like Lucas to provide the broad direction of the Franchise and someone like Kennedy to oversee the day to day operations and you've got a license to print money.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
63147 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 5:59 pm to
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TFA was a good start to the trilogy.
TFA is a piece of shite. It only seems better because of how bad TLJ is.
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