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re: How can anyone not like the LOTR trilogy?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:31 pm to Purple Spoon
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:31 pm to Purple Spoon
quote:As much as I love the films (and the books even more), I do admit that Frodo's portrayal gets a little cringy at times. Perhaps the actor was just a bit too effete... and I do hate to say that. The other hobbits were fine, and they absolutely nailed Aragorn and Gandalf.
Froto is a bitch
It didn't bother me that much, but Gimli isn't supposed to be comedic relief, nor is Legolas utterly superninja. There's some subtle hints in the book- Gimli grumbles about things, and Legolas can walk on snow and has incredible aim and eyesight, etc. But they overdid Legolas with the ROTK battle scene.
Of the movies, the Two Towers strayed the furthest from the books in actual theme. The whole dynamic between Gandalf and Theoden was flipped.
They left many beloved parts of the story out of the movies; Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire the biggest.
And others have mentioned the hatchet job done on Denethor, and really Faramir too. They are totally different characters in the books. Denethor should have been likeable, noble, and pessimistic about the outcome; not sniveling.
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Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:40 pm to jbraua
One of my favorite movie theater experiences of all time was watching FOTR. The trilogy IMO is the greatest of all time for what it is. PJ simply worked magic with the special effects and more Importantly the cast.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:46 pm to Scoob
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They left many beloved parts of the story out of the movies; Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire the biggest.
I'm glad they left out Tom Bombadil. I remember reading the book and being like "WTF is this shiite!!!!?"
The Scouring of the Shire would have been cool, but it would have completely thrown off the pacing of the movie.
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Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:56 am to jbraua
Having read the books several times over, the trilogy did a fairly good job.
Where things really become a hot mess is the adaptation of the Hobbit and making it into its own trilogy.
Where things really become a hot mess is the adaptation of the Hobbit and making it into its own trilogy.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 8:34 am to jbraua
I tried a few times but I just couldn't get into it. Just not my thing.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 8:44 am to armsdealer
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I remember people in the theatre being vocally pissed at the end of the first movie, like had they never opened a book?
I had read the Hobbit before watching Fellowship of the Ring, and I was unaware that the Lord of the Rings is in some form a trilogy (it isn’t since they just split it up into one for profit margins and there was a paper shortage at the time and I also think Lord of the Rings is one massive movie also split into three parts). When Frodo and Sam were crossing the Anduin, I naively assumed Mount Doom was across the stream so when it just abruptly ended, I was shocked, got slightly pissed, and then became very happy knowing this wasn’t the end.
Really Fellowship isn’t a movie on its own. Fellowship of the Ring is the First Act, the Second Act is Frodo meeting Gollum and Aragorn chasing down Merry and Pippin through the Battle of Pelenor Fields and Sam fighting Shelob, and the Final Act starts at the Tower of Cirith Ungol and the Fellowship deciding to attack the Black Gate.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 8:48 am to kingbob
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I'm glad they left out Tom Bombadil. I remember reading the book and being like "WTF is this shiite!!!!?"
And if you have a problem with Jackson leaving out Bombadil, here’s what Jackson has said about it: he didn’t say when exactly the Hobbits arrived at the Inn of the Prancing Pony. So if you want, the Hobbits did indeed stop by Bombadil’s, you just weren’t shown it. Can’t say the same for the Scouring of the Shire.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 9:18 am to OMLandshark
I loved the Scouring of the Shire in the book. It almost completely changes the message of the story and adds a whole additional arc to several characters. It feels almost like a sequel that was condensed and tacked on at the end. However, its themes of war forever changing the home front as well as the battlefield was a poignant one, imo.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 9:37 am to jbraua
Cant even get my wife to turn it on.
When she was laid up in due to COVID lockdown couldnt even get her to do it then :shrug:
When she was laid up in due to COVID lockdown couldnt even get her to do it then :shrug:
Posted on 9/15/21 at 1:48 pm to jbraua
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I have met many who said they don't like it, hate it, can't stand it, find it boring.
Saw each in theaters, read all of the books (after seeing Fellowship), own the extended editions on BR and watched them at least once a year until Game of Thrones.
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Why? How? Please explain.
I still like the films but they're sort of boring to me now after seeing character development, storylines and battles from Game of Thrones. Is it fair to put up a TV series to a movie, not at all but personally for me it made me see LotR differently.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 2:48 pm to Scoob
quote:Having not read any of the books, can you explain this to me? I love reading the takes of people who have read them.
The whole dynamic between Gandalf and Theoden was flipped.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:15 pm to AlxTgr
quote:Simple- the movies are a bit jarring in the way they flip the two.quote:
The whole dynamic between Gandalf and Theoden was flipped.
Having not read any of the books, can you explain this to me? I love reading the takes of people who have read them
In the books, Theoden gets revived by Gandalf, and is all-in on doing his thing to help the world (as compared to "just" Rohan).
He wants to muster the troops and ride out to meet the invading army on the field, not go to Helm's Deep. Gandalf has to convince him to go to the fortress, because he says glory in battle (Theoden's perspective) is all well and good, but what of the women and children, if they lose? It's only Theoden's deep trust in Gandalf, that causes him to agree to hole up in Helm's Deep.
The beacons- there is never a moment's doubt that he will go in the books. He's chomping at the bit to ride to war. There is no "what has Gondor done for me?" moment, he is all honor and valor.
The contrast in the books is between Theoden and Denethor (who's not such an arse in the books). Theoden has been "awakened" by Gandalf, and is now all-in. He completely cedes strategic command to Gandalf, who he declares is his leader in the war against Sauron.
Denethor is no crude prick, but rather, a strong and intelligent man. Not a "king" like Theoden, but the Steward of Gondor runs the most powerful nation in Middle Earth.
Denethor has looked into the Palantir like Saruman did, and was confronted by Sauron. But unlike Saruman, Denethor was strong enough to fight Sauron off. But his continued use of the Palantir, even though Sauron can't take control of him...
Sauron controls the information he gathers. We know Sauron has the big advantage in armies, but he is able to exaggerate his advantage to the point that Denethor sees no long-term chance of victory. Denethor also perceives what Gandalf is doing with Aragorn, 'the return of the king'; and this is twisted into him seeing it as a coup. He sees Gandalf as seeking control and power, and using Aragorn to supplant him. And all the while, he sees such politics as pointless, as they can't stand up to Sauron on the field ultimately.
So while Theoden is the willing general in Gandalf's army, Denethor is still holding onto "his duty" to protect Gondor, as his appointed place ordains him to do. He thinks Gandalf is twisting his allies against him, and finally believes Gandalf has thrown their only chance to win (the Ring, which in his mind is the nuclear option he desparately needs) away. That's why he says frick it, die where you like, I'm dying by my own hand and choice, at the end.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 12:38 am to Scoob
So which were the hottest women of LOTR? Arwen, Eowyn, Galadriel or Rosie?
My vote goes to Eowyn but Arwen was close.
My vote goes to Eowyn but Arwen was close.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 12:41 am to Tigers2010a
quote:When she stared down the Nazgul at the river and said "If you want him, come and claim him"...that's about as hot as it gets.
Arwen was close.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 12:58 am to Big Scrub TX
It is definitely a tough choice between Arwen and Eowyn. The reality is I would probably need a test drive with each before making a definitive and final choice.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 7:26 am to jbraua
Loved the books, loved the trilogy, but I tried to watch them again a few weeks ago and couldn't get into it.
They seem to have either lost their rewatchability, or I need to wait like a decade to watch them again. Not sure which.
They seem to have either lost their rewatchability, or I need to wait like a decade to watch them again. Not sure which.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 8:58 am to Tigers2010a
Movie, going with Arwen... books, supposed to be a tossup between Arwen and Galadriel (you like blondes, or brunettes?)
Arwen was supposed to rival Luthien as alltime great Elvin beauty. Gimli cast his vote for Galadriel, and got the strands of hair (I wonder if the Amazon series will touch on how big a deal that was?
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Supposed to be Elves>>Human>>Hobbits>Dwarves... I suspect that Rosie had big hairy feet
Arwen was supposed to rival Luthien as alltime great Elvin beauty. Gimli cast his vote for Galadriel, and got the strands of hair (I wonder if the Amazon series will touch on how big a deal that was?
) Supposed to be Elves>>Human>>Hobbits>Dwarves... I suspect that Rosie had big hairy feet
Posted on 9/17/21 at 9:07 am to Scoob
Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:32 am to AlxTgr
The complete butchering of Denethor... I guess they did that to make the film "easier".
As stated, Denethor is different in the books.
Book Denethor is very, very similar to Aragorn, both in spirit and appearance. While he is ultimately pushed to despair, he is not repulsive at all. Just extremely war-weary, and he takes comfort in Pippin (and the knowledge that Gondor's work and sacrifice would preserve such a naïve, happy land as the Shire).
His death at the end is a bitter suicide, as he sees his appparently dead final son (Faramir), the gates have been breached, and all is lost (to him). He isn't cruel to Pippin, he simply releases him from his vow, and says to go die as he sees fit. In Denethor's case, he will die with his son, free, rather than die at the hands of the orcs and trolls coming to finish them off.
As stated, Denethor is different in the books.
Book Denethor is very, very similar to Aragorn, both in spirit and appearance. While he is ultimately pushed to despair, he is not repulsive at all. Just extremely war-weary, and he takes comfort in Pippin (and the knowledge that Gondor's work and sacrifice would preserve such a naïve, happy land as the Shire).
His death at the end is a bitter suicide, as he sees his appparently dead final son (Faramir), the gates have been breached, and all is lost (to him). He isn't cruel to Pippin, he simply releases him from his vow, and says to go die as he sees fit. In Denethor's case, he will die with his son, free, rather than die at the hands of the orcs and trolls coming to finish them off.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:41 am to Scoob
Really disliked that movie character. Cannot stand the eating scene.
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