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re: House of the Dragon S1E10: “The Black Queen”--Official Thread. Season Finale NO SPOILERS!!
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:24 am to Bodie
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:24 am to Bodie
I assume a piece of the corpse is left over as he removes his eye after it when he’s dead in fire and blood. Or maybe Aemon just straight told them all in the shows timeline.
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Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:25 am to Bodie
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Was he eaten or did he fall?
His dragon was in pieces. They saw him leave storms end. There's only one result whether he was eaten whole, split in half, died from fall impact.
They don't waste time showing the chain of people whispering/talking to one another or show someone walk a beach and find dragon parts. Although I'd rather that sequence than the 5 minutes of Rhaenyra struggling with the still born.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:25 am to td01241
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The problem is none of it was needed because it doesn’t make sense for her character at all and isn’t who she is. Ergo, it’s wasted time in the episode, they could’ve done a set up plot for her in many many many many more satisfying ways that actually make sense. Although, I will admit the change to making her and Alicent childhood friends does come into how her arc has to play, but still they could’ve done better. Much better.
Your problem is you can’t watch the show without comparing it to the books, it seems. “Who she is” is still developing and depends upon what is happening around her. It makes perfect sense to those who are just enjoying the show without considering how it fits in with the books.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:26 am to Napoleon
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I liked the acting from the one eyed Targ. I thought he wanted to kill him. Until he lost control of his dragon and you could tell he really knew he fricked up.
They left out Baratheons daughter mocking Aemond after Luke left. That drove him to chase Luke.
They're all still kids. Luke is like, 14 and Aemond isn't much older. They're prone to act rashly.
I did like how they make Aemond look like he regretted killing Luke. Humanizes him a bit more.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:26 am to td01241
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Blackfyre rebellion that’s at least 5 seasons it’s got much more in it going on that the current HoTD story,
Not if HoTD covers all the major battles in my opinion.
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The hedge knight would be a slam dunk show that could name its length
I agree
The Sea Snake could be interesting when that series comes out.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:28 am to Mickey Goldmill
I’m not even only talking about book her. The character the show had set up, a great character they did a awesome job establishing, just wasn’t the one in episode 10. The only plausible thing the shows established that could have led to it is the decision to make alicent and her friends since childhood. And that isn’t enough when you know it’s win or die which she absolutely does which the shows established well.
It was paced wayyyy better than any episode of GoT s7 or 8 but it’s not good though.
It was paced wayyyy better than any episode of GoT s7 or 8 but it’s not good though.
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 11:39 am
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:30 am to TideWarrior
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Not if HoTD covers all the
Totally different war my man
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:43 am to td01241
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I’m not even only talking about book her. The character the show had set up, a great character they did a awesome job establishing, just wasn’t the one in episode 10. The only plausible thing the shows established that could have led to it is the decision to make alicent and her friends since childhood. And that isn’t enough when you know it’s win or die which she absolutely does which the shows established well.
Are you talking about her restraint from fully declaring war and going after Otto?
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:49 am to Mickey Goldmill
No the Otto scene was actually one of the best if not the best. She actually fricking did something and took charge and ruled. She just putters around like she never saw this coming for a good but of the episode. It’s not good writing and it goes against all the work laid in the previous 9
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:55 am to td01241
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Totally different war my man
You misunderstood his post. He’s saying if the writers explore all the battles and chaos in Dance of the Dragons it will push the Blackfyre rebellion for length.
They estimate 4 seasons for HOtD
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:57 am to memphisplaya
You’re correct I apologize. Still the dance is at heart a conflict between a princess and a queen. There’s much more going on in blackfyre outside of battle than dance plus bloodraven on screen would be rad
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 11:58 am
Posted on 10/24/22 at 12:10 pm to td01241
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She just putters around like she never saw this coming for a good but of the episode. It’s not good writing and it goes against all the work laid in the previous 9
Well just two episodes ago, to Rhaenyra at least, it didn't appear that any of this would happen. Her and Alicent seemed to have reconciled to an extent. Hell, it was even a surprise to Alicent that plans had been made beforehand to replace Rhaenyra.
Rhaenyra has also mentioned on a couple of occasions how important it is to keep the realm together and not at war.
There's also the smart calculation to feel out your bannermen before making an aggressive act toward the Greens.
Nothing about her showing restraint or even surprise at this happening is unreasonable at all.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 12:13 pm to Mickey Goldmill
She shows restraint and makes a wise move at the council when it finally frickkng comes 40 min. The scene with Otto was greet. How about the other 20ish min she just does frick all and Daemon is taking charge and having to jar her back to reality
They even take more agency from her by giving the plan for the sons to go to the eldest boy instead of her
And I have to totally disagree with you on the part about her being surprised. Her character is and has been established to be pragmatic, cunning, savy at times, strong willed, brave, and dutiful. None of that says I’m shocked the people who all hold kings landing that oppose me put their son and blood on my throne immediately without notice
They even take more agency from her by giving the plan for the sons to go to the eldest boy instead of her
And I have to totally disagree with you on the part about her being surprised. Her character is and has been established to be pragmatic, cunning, savy at times, strong willed, brave, and dutiful. None of that says I’m shocked the people who all hold kings landing that oppose me put their son and blood on my throne immediately without notice
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 10/24/22 at 12:19 pm to td01241
She just had a miscarriage....which was shown in such detail and length to further illustrate why she's about to go ape shite in Season 2 I'm sure. She's going to blame the Greens for the miscarriage and obviously the whole dragon killing thing.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 12:20 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Yes another totally useless and wasted 5 minutes that added nothing. She was in fine health at the funeral but couldn’t mosey up the council a bit hastier or propose an idea of her own?
Really what one idea or plan did she, the ruler and queen, lead with and put forward and not just nod to?
Really what one idea or plan did she, the ruler and queen, lead with and put forward and not just nod to?
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 10/24/22 at 12:24 pm to td01241
Agree to disagree I guess. If she rushed to start game planning right after the miscarriage, it would have come across as hasty and heartless of the lost child, imo. The whole reason Rhaenys came to respect her and push Corlys to join her was because she was the only one not immediately pushing for all out war.
She has very limited support right now. If she doesn't listen to few allies she has around her, she'll lose them too.
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Really what one idea or plan did she, the ruler and queen, lead with and put forward and not just nod to?
She has very limited support right now. If she doesn't listen to few allies she has around her, she'll lose them too.
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 10/24/22 at 12:29 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Talk about a tough day for Rhaenyra: dad died, stillbirth, crown usurped from underneath you. I'd need a stiff drink
See a lot of flack about the season finale feeling kind of like a dud...I think HBO (and GRRM) prefer the penultimate episode to be the needle-mover, and the finales to deal with the fallout/preparation for the following season. So, if we're going by past GOT (which we don't have to) it makes sense to me.
There is plenty of ammunition to start S2 with a bang...
See a lot of flack about the season finale feeling kind of like a dud...I think HBO (and GRRM) prefer the penultimate episode to be the needle-mover, and the finales to deal with the fallout/preparation for the following season. So, if we're going by past GOT (which we don't have to) it makes sense to me.
There is plenty of ammunition to start S2 with a bang...
Posted on 10/24/22 at 1:11 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Nothing about her showing restraint or even surprise at this happening is unreasonable at all.
And she’s done it multiple times throughout the show.
At her father’s last dinner she was the one to step up and announce a reconciliation when Viserys asked for it. When Aemond’s eye was taken, she was the one that tried to initially smooth it over. Before that, she tried to make the offer to Alicent at the Council (in our first episode with the older versions of her and Alicent) for their children to be wed to unite the families while she was heir.
She showed extraordinary kindness and restraint with Laenor when he was out fricking around and unable to get her pregnant (literally his ONE JOB in a political marriage).
Several times she has tried to keep the peace. That’s 100% on par for how the show has portrayed her.
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 10/24/22 at 1:27 pm to td01241
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Totally different war my man
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I am referring to all the major battles in Dance of the Dragons.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 2:00 pm to Saskwatch
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trap where the Blacks have the advantage.
This seems easier said than done as long as Vhagar is in the picture...
The only dragon that the Blacks have at the moment of comparable size is currently riderless.
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