re: House of the Dragon S1E10: “The Black Queen”--Official Thread. Season Finale NO SPOILERS!!

Posted by SPEEDY

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Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:50 am to Fewer Kilometers

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Seeing the size difference in those dragons took me back to seeing Star Wars in the theater for the first time, and that opening shot of the bottom of the Imperial Cruiser moving onto and taking over the screen, slowly revealing the size difference between the ships.

Posted by boXerrumble

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Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:50 am to Fe_Mike

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Who is gonna ride Vermithor?? When is Laenor gonna Koolaid man back in on Seasmoke and save the day?! Oh yeh!!!

Vermithor is one of those dragons that won't easily take a rider - and I believe hes either the 2nd or 3rd biggest dragon currently alive in the series right now, I don't remember if hes bigger than Meleys or Caraxes.

Posted by QC Reb

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Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:51 am to boXerrumble

I believe he is second largest to Vhaegar.

Posted by Willbe76

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Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:16 am to BluegrassBelle

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I would genuinely like to see what folks consider fast if this show is considered slow as hell.

I mean I get it, there was a lot of angles to set up. I think season 2 will be way better.

Posted by Mickey Goldmill

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Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:21 am to BluegrassBelle

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I would genuinely like to see what folks consider fast if this show is considered slow as hell.

They must want some nonstop Michael Bay type action I guess. I don't find this show slow at all and this episode was my favorite of Season 1. If you want people to actually care about the characters, you have to have action less dialogue to make the rest of the show actually mean something to the viewer.

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Posted by td01241

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Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:26 am to BluegrassBelle

The first 9 episodes for the most part were paced extremely tightly. They were great tv and I enjoyed them even though they could’ve cut half of it (hbo wants moar seasons). Episode 10 was paced absolutely god awful even more so when compared to the 9 nine that came before. I’d be interested in the time stamps of when Rhaneys comes to inform them and then the next time stamp of when she holds council with all of them. I’d bet it’s 20-25 ish min and almost all of that could’ve been axed.

For the half the season could’ve been cut argument: Think about what actually got accomplished and happened over the series run. Then think the same thing about GoT season 1 and compare them. Not a single scene or line of dialogue from GoT season 1 could’ve been spared. This sadly isn’t that. Shows still good and everyone involved actors, directors, writers etc all did way better than I thought. It’s still not warranted for 10 episodes. They even get 2 fricking time skips lol

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Posted by TideWarrior

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Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:33 am to The Godfather

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This is the first thing I have seen where this thing could actually go past just this time period.

There is already a series planned that will cover periods in the future before GoT.

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Posted by td01241

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Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:43 am to TideWarrior

If this one doesn’t flop the landing again and interest stays they have a wealth of shows they could make forever. Blackfyre rebellion that’s at least 5 seasons it’s got much more in it going on that the current HoTD story, The hedge knight would be a slam dunk show that could name its length, show about Nymeria leading her people into Dorne; show of the doom and Aegons conquest, show about the kings of the north, show about bran the builder and how the wall came up and what they first did it for and how they stopped them, hell you could make a show about brackens and blackwoods in the river lands always fighting, and much more

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Posted by td01241

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Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:46 am to Mickey Goldmill

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If you want people to actually care about the characters, you have to have action less dialogue to make the rest of the show actually mean something to the viewer.

Couldn’t agree any stronger Mick. S1-s4 of GoT is the chefs kiss of executing on this. HoTD ep 10 absolutely was not. The actual dialogue I don’t have too much of an issue with in it, long scenes that don’t belong and overstay their welcome + not enough is building up fast enough in between those either the characters developing the plot the themes etc+ I think they portrayed aemon and Rhanerya particularly awful in the episode when I’d loved them up till then.

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Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:51 am to Willbe76

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It's been slow as hell.

LMAO no

Posted by td01241

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Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:56 am to Nerd

The whole season is both slow and at the same time paced very tight. They’re aided much in this by the time skips tbh and the change to Alicents age making them childhood friends helps much in this area as well: Ep 10 in a vacuum which you’re more than welcome to absolutely have enjoyed was not paced well. That’s objectively true.

Episode 7 (I think whichever one he loses his eye in) OTOH is paced so god damn perfect it’s up there with anything GoT has done for a single episode.

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Posted by Mickey Goldmill

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Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:00 am to td01241

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That’s objectively true.

No, it isn't objectively true. It's your opinion which many disagree with. I had no issue at all with the pace of Ep. 10. Most of what happened was done to set up Rhaenyra going into Season 2.

Posted by td01241

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Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:01 am to Mickey Goldmill

You can not have a problem with it. You can have enjoyed it a lot. That doesn’t make it good from a technical standpoint. Sorry. I like a lot of things that aren’t good from a technical standpoint too.

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What happened to set up…. For season 2

The problem is none of it was needed because it doesn’t make sense for her character at all and isn’t who she is. Ergo, it’s wasted time in the episode, they could’ve done a set up plot for her in many many many many more satisfying ways that actually make sense. Although, I will admit the change to making her and Alicent childhood friends does come into how her arc has to play, but still they could’ve done better. Much better.

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Posted by bbeck

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Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:05 am to td01241

To each their own. I personally thought the entire season was well done.

The fact we came from the shiteshow finish of GoT to this is all I needed to get back on board.

I have the book but never read it. Watching and enjoying this season so much has made me decide to finally read it.

Posted by td01241

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Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:07 am to bbeck

Oh I totally agree. It over shot my expectations coming off GoT and given the type of book they adapted. It’s a solid 7.5 taken as a whole with a few episodes being even 9s maybe. The acting especially surprised me, can’t think of one bad performance and Viserys should win an award.

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Posted by DukeSilver

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Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:09 am to td01241

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The whole season is both slow and at the same time paced very tight. They’re aided much in this by the time skips tbh and the change to Alicents age making them childhood friends helps much in this area as well: Ep 10 in a vacuum which you’re more than welcome to absolutely have enjoyed was not paced well. That’s objectively true.

Posted by td01241

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Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:18 am to DukeSilver

Take the pacing of these three episodes and which one glares out like a neon light

1: GoT season 4 Tyrions trial
2. HoTD episode 7 funeral, gains Vhagar, loses eye
3 HoTD episode 10…. Not much really to say

You can downvote and also by all means love the episode but it’s clear as day especially taken beside it’s own work (see above) it was paced poorly especially for a finale

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Posted by Saskwatch

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Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:20 am to boXerrumble

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Arrax and Lucerys relationship was still developing, and was more noticeable because Arrax was a really young dragon.

Yeah they highlighted this when Lucerys kept telling the dragon to be calm and obey before he hopped on.

Aemond should be an easy mark for the Blacks. Just poke him enough to lead him into a trap. He again outwardly called Luke "Prince Strong". All Jacaerys has to do is call him ol' cyclops and lead him into a trap where the Blacks have the advantage.