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re: Having a hard time getting into Dune
Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:23 am to Emteein
Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:23 am to Emteein
I read Dune in the summer of 2021 sitting in a Quonset hut on Camp Pendleton doing pre-deployment training. It had been on my list for years so I finally used that time to read it. I enjoyed it, but I did find it to be a little bit dry and maybe a bit pretentious at times. I did really enjoy the world building and all that. Overall though, while I'm glad I read it, at the time I was a little underwhelmed. While I was deployed I was able to see the movie and I totally loved it. I think it actually made me sort of retcon my memory into thinking I liked the book more than I did. I might actually read the book again, because I think I'll appreciate it more now that I have a more full understanding of the lore surrounding the universe. When I read it in 2021 I went in totally clueless about the entire universe - I didnt even know that Dune was a planet. I knew nothing.
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Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:28 am to meeple
I loved it but can see how someone might not, the pacing on part 1 was notoriously flawed.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:29 am to Northshore Aggie
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but I did find it to be a little bit dry and maybe a bit pretentious at times
The book was also about 50-60 years old at that point and a lot of things it covered were brand new in sci fi at that time but have been adapted by many other things since.
To give a somewhat random example, the horror movie Phantasm from the late 70s completely lifts the “box of pain” / Gom Jabbar scene. That was the first depiction of it on film I’m aware of because the Jodorwosky adaptation was in the process of imploding and the Lynch adaptation wouldn’t be released until 1984.
It is an influential book but, unfortunately, a lot of what made it influential at the time can be lost today because it has become so ever-present in other works.
That is why I am not a fan of Close Encounters of the Third Kind… it was an extremely influential film when released in the late 70s but I didn’t see it until the 2000s and I went “What’s the big deal?” upon doing so.
Not saying it is a BAD film but certainly one I have little to no interest in.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:30 am to UsingUpAllTheLetters
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the pacing on part 1 was notoriously flawed.
That’s inherent in the material, TBH.
You can say the director made bad choices but the source material had its own problems here.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:56 am to 3nOut
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Dune and Wheel of Time both just require you to know so much more than what is going on currently and neither of them lend themselves to letting you now all the lore and history without reading it.
This is my problem. I don’t want to have to “study” in order to enjoy a movie.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:25 am to LSUNWO1988
Do I need to watch Dune 1 to follow Dune 2?
I've heard that 2 is much better.
I've heard that 2 is much better.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:42 am to meeple
I’ve fallen asleep 4x watching the first one.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:51 am to Brbengal
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Do I need to watch Dune 1 to follow Dune 2?
From reading this this thread, not only do you have to watch part 1, but also read a book and watch some “lore” videos
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:52 am to kciDAtaE
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From reading this this thread, not only do you have to watch part 1, but also read a book and watch some “lore” videos
I watched the Lynch Dune long enough ago I didn’t remember much of it but didn’t have any issue following the storylines of the 1st movie (seeing the second this week). I didn’t think it was that difficult to follow.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 12:19 pm to Stan Switek
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If I recall the book correctly (its been awhile), that was why the Baron thought they had broken Yueh, but that Yueh had guessed that she was probably already dead. His betrayal was ultimately because, after the relentless torture of the Harkonnen, he concluded that killing the Duke was a justifiable cost in order to kill the Baron himself; hence the poison tooth, and helping Paul escape with the signet ring.
I felt like they needed to explain how the Baron broke him down if these people were seen as unbreakable and why were they seen as unbreakable? What made them that way? So he caused the murder of thousands for a chance at killing the Baron? Still not satisfied but appreciate the explanation.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:00 pm to rebelrouser
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I felt like they needed to explain how the Baron broke him down if these people were seen as unbreakable and why were they seen as unbreakable? What made them that way? So he caused the murder of thousands for a chance at killing the Baron? Still not satisfied but appreciate the explanation.
The book hints that, while Imperial Conditioning is nearly impossible to break, it is still not as strong as the bonds that the Bene Gesserit conditioning can create. Yeuw's wife was BG who conditioned her husband in at least some of the BG ways, and the Baron remarks to the doctor that the conditioning was bent by having him watch his wife tortured with Piter's "pain amplifiers". This conflict drove the doctor to insanity and the urge to kill the Baron as a result.
Yeuw also may have rationalized his betrayal because he knew that, with both the Emporer and the Harkonnen allied against Atriedes, Leto would lose regardless. He tells Leto, "You were dead anyway". At least his betrayal would give a chance to kill the Baron as opposed to someone else being bribed/threatened etc.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:01 pm to meeple
Same. They are too long, too slow.
I'd rather watch 5th Element twice.
I'd rather watch 5th Element twice.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:22 pm to meeple
Dune is on my list of movies I just can't get into either.
Also on the list are:
Citizen Kane
Gone With The Wind
A Clockwork Orange
2001-A Space Odyssey
The English Patient
I find the above so slow moving they bore me to death.
Also on the list are:
Citizen Kane
Gone With The Wind
A Clockwork Orange
2001-A Space Odyssey
The English Patient
I find the above so slow moving they bore me to death.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:28 pm to gumbo2176
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Also on the list are:
Citizen Kane
Gone With The Wind
A Clockwork Orange
2001-A Space Odyssey
The English Patient
I find the above so slow moving they bore me to death.
Same. One and done.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:37 pm to Stan Switek
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Yeuw also may have rationalized his betrayal because he knew that, with both the Emporer and the Harkonnen allied against Atriedes, Leto would lose regardless. He tells Leto, "You were dead anyway".
Ok, that actually kind of works. Thanks.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:44 pm to AlxTgr
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Bottom line, the new one(part 1 anyway) simply isn't as good. It's little things, but they add up.
villeneuve took a very complicated world and made it make sense. there are so many characters and DV made it to where you understand everything. it can be both a very good movie and just not for you.
just because you don't like it doesn't mean it "simply isn't good"
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:48 pm to teke184
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The book was also about 50-60 years old at that point and a lot of things it covered were brand new in sci fi at that time but have been adapted by many other things since.
people still don't realize how much George Lucas ripped off Dune with Star Wars
Posted on 3/5/24 at 2:22 pm to Byron Bojangles III
I mean I was thinking about it and Game of Thrones sort of rips from it too.
Leto is essentially Ned Stark. The Lannisters are the Harkonnens.
Leto is essentially Ned Stark. The Lannisters are the Harkonnens.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 2:23 pm to meeple
Good talk Russ.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 2:26 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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people still don't realize how much George Lucas ripped off Dune with Star Wars
i believe they call it "paying homage" in the biz.
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