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re: Great Characters that were "Flanderized"
Posted on 3/10/25 at 6:25 pm to tylerdurden24
Posted on 3/10/25 at 6:25 pm to tylerdurden24
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Went from being an at times aloof but mostly serious adult who at least gives some passing thought to his kids and wife in Z to reverting back to being a total child in an adult body in Super (which I can’t tell if Daima was trying to retcon and explain)
Yeah, I've heard Super was good but I couldn't get passed that with Goku so I stopped watching (May have also had something to do with my TV tastes changing from when I watched DBZ as a teenager... I never watched GT)
Where does Daima fit in the timeline?
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Posted on 3/10/25 at 6:49 pm to Scoob
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So Kitsch is one of those guys who is a premium costar, but not a true lead.
This is very likely. Many an actor have made a fortune from doing just this. William H Macy has a pretty sterling career despite not being The Guy. Same with PSH.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 7:15 pm to Broski
Super has some really cool moments and has some good arcs from the manga coming up… but it can be tedious at times and doesn’t always follow the typical formula of Vegeta-Frieza-Androids-Cell-Buu where all the bad guys are evil and trying to kill everyone. Add in Goku basically acting like his kid self from the original Dragonball and it can be an annoying binge.
Daima takes place between the Buu saga and Super and is basically a retcon that shoehorns a lot of the GT stuff into the Z/Super canon. Because it’s a retcon, you can sort of squint and see why things changed tonally or why the power ups advanced like they did from Z to Super but for those of us who watched Z as kids and then already watched Super, it kinda falls short.
Daima takes place between the Buu saga and Super and is basically a retcon that shoehorns a lot of the GT stuff into the Z/Super canon. Because it’s a retcon, you can sort of squint and see why things changed tonally or why the power ups advanced like they did from Z to Super but for those of us who watched Z as kids and then already watched Super, it kinda falls short.
This post was edited on 3/10/25 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 3/10/25 at 7:23 pm to Fun Bunch
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The other really big one that comes to mind is Ross Gellar on Friends.
Joey is another one. He becomes legitimately retarded by the time the series ends. It's a wonder he survived 2 years in LA.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 7:27 pm to tylerdurden24
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Daima takes place between the Buu saga and Super
How? Wasn't Super like right after the Buu saga originally?
Posted on 3/10/25 at 7:39 pm to Freauxzen
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Gerry Gurgich, Parks and Rec
Agree. He went from the butt of jokes to being a complete klutz. I would add Andy Dwyer too. He started out as a normal dude taking advantage of Ann Perkins to a complete moron. Virtually every main character on that show became a caricature of themselves, though. But the exaggeration of characters is the natural progression for sitcoms. It goes on too long because it still makes money and the writers are reaching for cheap laughs.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 7:54 pm to Broski
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How? Wasn't Super like right after the Buu saga originally?
Yeah, that’s how Super was more or less presented when it first came out. But Daima canonically now occurs between Buu and Super. Virtually the entire arc takes place in the Demon Realm and more or less concerns the power vacuum formed after Debura gets eaten by Buu on earth. It’s got some interesting lore concerning the Kais and Namekians and Majiin and expands on where Zeno originated from but more or less the last 4 or 5 episodes of the 20 are really what are worth watching.
This post was edited on 3/10/25 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 3/10/25 at 8:10 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Kevin from the office
One of my favorite scenes is Kevin talking about being a texas hold em champ on Casino Night. I wanted to make a thread in the past about how I like how Kevin is smart and has some talents in the first couple of seasons.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 8:41 pm to The Boat
Les Miles
Ok real answer Boss Hogg
Ok real answer Boss Hogg
Posted on 3/10/25 at 8:43 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Barney on HIMYM. He doesn't really start of as a ladies man. Then it gets to the point where he's always sleeping with a new woman. Hundreds of women by the end of the show and sort of a sexual deviant
Posted on 3/10/25 at 8:47 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Fry from Futurama. He went from a stupid but lovable character to a mentally deficient retard.
Same goes for Peter Griffin.
Same goes for Peter Griffin.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 8:53 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Kramer from Seinfeld.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 8:54 pm to RoyalAir
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People said the same thing when he was excellent as David Koresh in Waco.
Kitsch is a great actor. Does well with his material. But he can't break to the other side of Hollywood, and I'm not sure I know why.
i think he must just not suck cock
Posted on 3/10/25 at 9:25 pm to John Casey
My go to answer with this question.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 12:33 pm to SEC. 593
It’s funny that this gets its name from a Simpsons character and they had made fun of theirselves already on the topic in the episode where the classic meme comes from with Bart and “Say the line”
Posted on 3/11/25 at 12:38 pm to Havoc
Winston in New Girl after Coach shows up for a couple seasons.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 12:43 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Sydney Adamu - The Bear
Posted on 3/11/25 at 12:46 pm to Breric
i know he's already been mentioned in this thread, but to me Urkel is the ultimate and most egregious example of this phenomenon.
as i was thinking about this topic, and that same genre / time period of shows, it occurred to me that Full House did a remarkable job of NOT doing this to any characters. even the most likely candidates, Kimmy Gibbler and Uncle Joey, stayed pretty consistent to their early iterations. well done, Full House.
as i was thinking about this topic, and that same genre / time period of shows, it occurred to me that Full House did a remarkable job of NOT doing this to any characters. even the most likely candidates, Kimmy Gibbler and Uncle Joey, stayed pretty consistent to their early iterations. well done, Full House.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 1:01 pm to IggyReilly
I'm gonna give Chang and Kramer passes because they are very rare examples of the character they morphed into being actually funnier than the character they originally were intended to be IMO.
Chang insanity fit the insanity at Greendale and the original Kramer was underdeveloped and kinda dull.
Chang insanity fit the insanity at Greendale and the original Kramer was underdeveloped and kinda dull.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 1:13 pm to WG_Dawg
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Kramer? Eeeeehhhhhhh I don't know. Early and I mean EARLY on he's more subdued but I think that could just be chalked up to feeling out the character and not relaly knowing what to do with him quite yet. Early in season 2 is when Kramer pretends to be cop and enters that cleaners apartment who they think stole that statue, that whole seen was pretty over the top and slapstick-y like we come to know from Kramer and that was fairly early. Season 3 kramer has morphed into mostly the version taht we come to associate with him. Your'e talking about probably 75% of the show kramer being "kramer"...so personally I don't know if he necessarily got flanderized, although of course some of his sotrylines did get pretty out there but you could say that for the entire show. After 9 seasons they've gotta come up with something to write about ha.
If it applies to anyone on Seinfeld, it's Elaine. Aside from Jerry, she was the most "normal" one. She was the most intelligent of the group, judging from her score on the IQ test she took for George. But when she took over for J Peterman, they made her into an idiot, also.
Or maybe she just wasn't having sex in the last two seasons...
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