re: GoT S7 E4 "The Spoils of War" MAESTERS Thread

So, did the ghost of Cat make an appearance in the background of Arya/Brienne scene? Some seem to think so:

Woman resembling Cat walks by

I don't think I buy that they did that intentionally. But it is a fun find somebody made.

First quote he wasn't far off some of the theories floating out there (except for the siblings part).

Then in the second quote he goes totally Comatose Khal Drogo.

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And then Tyrion, we don’t know who his mother is, who Tywin slept with.

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Considering how children come into the world, it's pretty easy to figure out who someone's mother is...

It's not like Tywin would've let tyrion live if he was born to some hooker that he knocked up

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I do think Tyrion being Aerys son is the Crackpot theory I like the least.

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I'm kind of torn. While it does have some upsides (mostly the thought of Tyrion riding a dragon!), the downsides outweigh them. ie: Tyrion really being Tywin's son in so many ways, Tywin's failures at caring for and raising Tyrion properly, Tyrion killing his father, etc. Although on the last point, with kin slaying being almost as bad as violating guest rights and king slaying in the books, I was always a little put off that Tyrion violated one of the major taboos.

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I'm kind of torn. While it does have some upsides (mostly the thought of Tyrion riding a dragon!), the downsides outweigh them. ie: Tyrion really being Tywin's son in so many ways, Tywin's failures at caring for and raising Tyrion properly, Tyrion killing his father, etc. Although on the last point, with kin slaying being almost as bad as violating guest rights and king slaying in the books, I was always a little put off that Tyrion violated one of the major taboos.

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Yes, it lets both Tyrion and Tywin completely off the hook for what they've done to each other in the past. Some people are saying it makes Tywin justifiable for his treatment of Tyrion if he thinks he's Aerys son, but I find it to be far more interesting that all of Tywin's actions in the book are wholly unjustifiable to Tyrion. In the end Tywin is the by far biggest hypocrite in the series.

Lets get off of Tyrion and Tywin for a second and think about his treatment of Cersei. Tywin forces Cersei into a marriage with Willas Tyrell (Loras on the show) when Robert dies at the age of 31. Now when does Joanna die in the books: When Tywin is 31. And Tywin had direct incentive to remarry to make sure that Tyrion did not inherit the Rock, but he still forces his family to do the things he won't do.

Hell he married his first cousin for love that did nothing for their alliances either. It's something he will not allow any of his children to do. Tywin's unjustifiable treatment of his children is what will damn the realm and his legacy, and rightfully so.

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Is not a fact one of the reason Cersei hates Tyrion from the start is their mother died giving birth to Tyrion?

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Just because Johanna gave birth to him doesn't mean he's Tywin's. Aerys was known for banging his lords' wives, and Tywin was away on campaigns. Tyrion has purplish eyes, dragon dreams, and several other Targ traits. I'm not 100% sold on the theory, but it has merit.

I'm kind of rooting for it as I noticed it independently when reading the books. But mostly I want to see the OLMLandshark meltdown. I disagree that it cheapens the Tywin/Tyrion dynamic at all. Rather, if Tywin suspected it (even subconsciously), it would explain his vitriol towards Tyrion and outright refusal to let him inherit the Rock. I do believe that it could cheapen the Tyrion/Jamie bond, but not enough to hate it for that reason.

To OLM, Tywin was a hardass and generally a shite to everyone, not just his kids. He was a hypocrite to everyone, not just his kids. I agree with the points you make about expecting others to do what he won't do, but it's not like he wouldn't have treated anyone else he had power over the same way. The only person to ever openly defy him was Jamie (and Aerys).

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Which makes their relationship far less interesting as I point out above.

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that's just like, your opinion, man.

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that's just like, your opinion, man.

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Well point out where I'm wrong that it makes their relationship much less interesting if Tywin thought Tyrion was Aerys' child.

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Well point out where I'm wrong that it makes their relationship much less interesting if Tywin thought Tyrion was Aerys' child.

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So you want me to disprove that you think something is less interesting? lol

In Winterfell? No one. There is that brothel outside the keep where Ros came from though...