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re: GoT S7 E4 "The Spoils of War" MAESTERS Thread

Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:10 pm to
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:10 pm to
Oh yeah.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:11 pm to
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3. Why would Bran reveal to Littlefinger that he is on to him? He has no emotion at all, and is barely Bran any longer, so it cannot be motivated by revenge.


Because he's like Dr Manhattan now. He can perceive all time at once and knows where it will lead.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:11 pm to
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1. Jaime released Tyrion when he faced certain death. Will Tyrion do the same?
definitely a possibility. Tyrion has always loved Jaime, and continues to do so.
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2. If I'm Arya, one of my greatest assets is that no one thinks I'm capable of much. Why reveal her skill by training with Brienne in the open?

Because she's home now. The entire point of hiding was to get home at first, then to get revenge later on. In Winterfell among her family, she has no need to hide anything.
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3. Why would Bran reveal to Littlefinger that he is on to him? He has no emotion at all, and is barely Bran any longer, so it cannot be motivated by revenge.

My thoughts along this line are that Bran doesn't see the future, just the past and present. He sees all that is occurring around him. Littlefinger is a threat.
If he saw the future too, there are no "threats" at all, only events left to occur. There'd be no reason for him to be there at all, other than to say "you're going to win" or "kiss each other goodbye, you're all going to die".

Littlefinger is a threat to Sansa, Jon, Winterfell, the alliance with House Arron. Telling him what he did is making him step back, and/or provoking him to make a move for his justifiable execution.

Bran isn't "just" Bran anymore, but I think he's still more close to Sansa and Arya (and Jon), than he is to Meera. The Reeds served him, but the Starks are family.
Posted by PsychTiger
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:12 pm to
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*cuts to tyrrion and davos playing a drinking game for 20 minutes*


Would watch.
Posted by Sus-Scrofa
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:12 pm to
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Not likely. They don't need a company of soldiers from Essos to do that.


Agreed. She's going to send the Golden Army to take back Casterly Rock and take out the Unsullied. Then send them North. She does not give a frick if the north is offended by a foreign army.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:13 pm to
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Because he's like Dr Manhattan now. He can perceive all time at once and knows where it will lead.
He can see the past and present, but not the future.
Posted by PsychTiger
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:14 pm to
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I said as much...he's only like 18 when we last see him in the books anyway.

Which doesn't make him the best swordsman in Westeros.



Let's just call him the best swordsboy in Westeros and call it a day.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:14 pm to
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He can see the past and present, but not the future.


Why do you say that? The three eyed raven could see it, at least in the novels. I don't think there's anything definitive that shows he can't.
Posted by P-Dawg
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:16 pm to
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Then send them North. She does not give a frick if the north is offended by a foreign army.


I figured sending them North was implied when I said Sansa.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:16 pm to
I've often thought this, what region typically has the best fighters? I would think that the North typically has a bunch of hardchargers in it and the toughest men from the winters up there.
This post was edited on 8/7/17 at 6:21 pm
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:19 pm to
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I've often thought this, what region typically has the best fighters?



Realistically, probably none, but I'm sure they all think their fighters are the best.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:20 pm to
His own words. He can see all that has happened and is happening.

And I don't remember the TER being able to see the future in the books.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:22 pm to
"You will never walk again but you will fly"

I'm almost sure he's talking about Dany's dragons. Plus multiple characters do have clairvoyance in the books and show. I think that the future is far more dicey and not nearly as clear, while the past and present are.
This post was edited on 8/7/17 at 6:49 pm
Posted by Volatile
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:23 pm to
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I just really hope Royce is OK with LF's death. Driving a stake in the relationship between the Starks and the Arryn army would be awful at this point.


I don't think Royce gives a damn about Littlefinger. He tolerates Littlefinger because he realized that Lysa had a few screws loose and for now he figures as long as Littlefinger is happy Robyn can survive to adulthood and get some spine and learning for that empty dim spiteful little pissant. The Vale is near impregnable, Littlefinger is away, and he's effectively looking after Lord Robyn. Since they're family to the Lord and now allies he is willing to allow Littlefinger taking some of their army away from home to aid the Starks. But he doesn't give a damn about Littlefinger himself. He wouldn't shed a tear if LF got shanked.
This post was edited on 8/7/17 at 6:39 pm
Posted by Groovie
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:24 pm to
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I don't understand why Jon simply doesn't ask for marriage

Getting raised from the dead has made him impotent
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:24 pm to
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He can see the past and present, but not the future.


Why do you say that? The three eyed raven could see it, at least in the novels. I don't think there's anything definitive that shows he can't.


If you KNOW the future, then there's no point in anything. You have no part to play, because the future will happen anyway.

Bran has a part to play, in the resistance against the Night King. He clearly opposes him, as did the last 3 Eyed Raven. Why resist if you KNOW he will kill you all, instead of counseling everyone to relax and go enjoy themselves? Only you would know they're all doomed, the rest would at least have some peace in the meantime.
And if you KNEW you would prevail, then find the right persons, and lay it all out. Or don't, go find somewhere comfy to enjoy the show. Because those involved will win.

He sees everything up until now, and can weigh things that would tip the balance one way of the other... but he doesn't see the future. He sees what the conflict will be.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:27 pm to
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If you KNOW the future, then there's no point in anything. You have no part to play, because the future will happen anyway.


I don't think he has a perfect vision of the future, just a very dicey one. I think he may see LF's fate due to LF pretty much being fricked no matter what he does from here on out. As for other things, he may not be so clear. Kind of like the Force in how the Jedi could somewhat see the future.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:28 pm to
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Getting raised from the dead has made him impotent


Well Dany can't have kids, so he's in luck.
Posted by Frac the world
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:32 pm to
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Which brings the next topic- the Unsullied are now, basically, freed up, right? I mean, other than low provisions, there's no real danger now. Ain't nobody new going to raise arms against a dragon rider and her Dothraki horde if she promises to keep them from pillaging, and the lone organized army in opposition- the Lannisters, have been routed. So there's little to oppose the Unsullied, either. They're out of place for now, but can simply move to join up with the Dothraki's.


Golden Company gonna come get all up in that Dothraki/Unsullied arse.

Just because Danny and the Dothraki just routed the Lannister army this thing is far from over. Cersei and OP Qyburn have some more tricks up their sleeves. I see a major setback for Danny and Co. coming soon.

Seriously though, how OP is Qyburn?
This post was edited on 8/7/17 at 6:33 pm
Posted by 19
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:33 pm to
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Kind of like the Force in how the Jedi could somewhat see the future.


And like Yoda said, it's difficult to see...always changing.

Which is exactly what I think Bran meant when he said, "I need to learn to see better" He sees bits and pieces, past present and future, just not seeing how they fit together...yet.
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