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re: GoT S6: E10 "The Winds of Winter" BOOK READERS

Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:02 am to
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:02 am to
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The main character won't die twice


We know that.

LF doesn't though.

You asked what his gameplan was...it is to remove Jon
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:03 am to
He should focus on removing Cersei first, IMO. He won't gain much going after Jon in this current situation.
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:04 am to
posted in the wrong thread frick think that was my only post in a hodor thread all season
Posted by elprez00
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:04 am to
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for legitimizing Jon, at this point it's not required. The north all declared their swords to him. In the book there was a very important yet short scene that set this up. Rob had all his bannermen sign a decree that legitimized Jon as a Stark and declare him as the heir to the north if Rob were to die.

So stupid question, but how can they prove that Jon is Rhaegars son? Why should they believe Brans word?

They have to either A: Have a person(s) or document corroborating the birthright, or
B: Have Jon exhibit Targaryen Powers.

Just having Bran show up and going "Hey Jon, BTW you aren't really my brother, you're my cousin. And you'll never believe who your dad is!" isn't really going to convince people, especially Dany. If Dany shows up and Jon is the Dragon Whisperer, that's a little different.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:04 am to
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He won't gain much going after Jon in this current situation.


Remove Jon. Have everyone rally behind Sansa. Marry Sansa. Take KLs.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:05 am to
Any plans he thought he had through Sansa are shot. He has to know that.
Posted by UncleBlazer
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:06 am to
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He should focus on removing Cersei first, IMO. He won't gain much going after Jon in this current situation.



She has the Lannister army spread out all over the Riverlands, provided Jaime doesn't intervene and no allies. Cersei being queen is favorable for anyone trying to usurp.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:06 am to
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So stupid question, but how can they prove that Jon is Rhaegars son? Why should they believe Brans word?
I asked this earlier in the thread but it was at the bottom of the page... The midwife in the room. Does she come into play? There was a quick shot of her right before Lyanna starts whispering.
Posted by UncleBlazer
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:07 am to
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Any plans he thought he had through Sansa are shot. He has to know that.




You don't get to where LF is by giving up that easily.
Posted by PatDyesPants
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:07 am to
I mean, don't any of you remember that Dayne clearly said in the TOJ scened that 'our prince wanted us here.'

LINK
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:07 am to
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So stupid question, but how can they prove that Jon is Rhaegars son? Why should they believe Brans word?



this guy right here




Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:07 am to
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Any plans he thought he had through Sansa are shot. He has to know that.


Yup.

Plus, remember that Sansa has warned Jon about LF.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:08 am to
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She has the Lannister army spread out all over the Riverlands,
Still? I think the time hop means they're all back home. Jamie made it back to Kings Landing pretty darn quick.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:09 am to
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Any plans he thought he had through Sansa are shot. He has to know that.


they are as long as Jon is alive

thus I think it is obvious that he will come after Jon in some way
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:09 am to
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You don't get to where LF is by giving up that easily.
And you don't get to where he is by sticking with a failing plan.
Posted by UncleBlazer
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:10 am to
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Still? I think the time hop means they're all back home. Jamie made it back to Kings Landing pretty darn quick.




At best, most returned to Casterly Rock, just as far from King's landing
Posted by tigerfan88
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:10 am to
Myrcella is less of an heir than Jon was going to be. A non first born woman. Jon was a first born male. Now to be fair he wasn't Rhaegar's overall first born, but again if you go back to Aegon the conqueror the Targaryens have a tradition of taking multiple wives and basically choosing which wife's children are first in succession.

He also thought Aegon and and the daughter were safe in kings landing. Compared to Lyanna who was in a random tower that could be attacked by anyone at anytime.

Ned Dayne's real name is Edric not Eddard. That's like saying someone named Edmund is named after someone named Edward, just bc both they're nicknames were Ed. Not to mention the relationship between house Dayne and Eddard Stark is incredibly complicated since he and Ashara Dayne were in love with each other

Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:11 am to
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they are as long as Jon is alive

thus I think it is obvious that he will come after Jon in some way
No doubt. I just don't think he has an option with Sansa anymore. He can probably go back to the Vale and hope the WW kill him. And if they don't he can swoop in on a depleted and weak North. That's just one option of the top of my head.
Posted by StarSaint
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:11 am to
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thus I think it is obvious that he will come after Jon in some way


Starting beef with the Lord of Light's chosen champion is not going to end well for LF....
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:11 am to
Next season HAS TO start with HR showing up at Winterfell with Meera and Bran doesn't it? Doesn't it????
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